inside a set of rooms are people were reading manuscripts, think about books they should acquire kambiz relationship with author, publicizing, packaging, design and everything that goes into it. the pleasure thinking about how to take a book on what's inside a book and the incarnate it in physical form, not in digital form a committee gadgets out in the world i just find completely compelling, totally what i want to be doing all this time. publishing is full of people like that. people really want to think about what's inside the book and how they can get that out in the world. >> what was your first job? >> my first job was dog spotting which means you do whatever we tell you to do. it was exciting because it is a small place that gave me the opportunity to do everything. i was a sales rep in the midwest for a few weeks. i was working with a designer and cutting and pasting tight. i was working with the finance got everything in voices. of the best part was when i spot him to the office, i was brought into a library and in this labyrinth of the shelf and on the shelf with a stack of ma