as i write in uganda, you got about a one, a 1000000 chat in the air of kampala. so you, i think we have a delay that that's okay. i'll be patient as my question, but in uganda you have a one and 1000000 chance of meeting a psychiatrist, meaning for every 1000000 people that live there, you have one psychiatrist, but as a, as you're in a power outage right now, how does the country, i guess trias, what they need to address here. do they address, getting you more steady electricity, or do they address? getting more psychiatrist. thank you for your question. you know, very tricky question, but of course would be to get more electricity rate we've not, but it's a point where we take mental health very, very seriously. like that. population of 4546000000. definitely one psychiatrist. yes. and it's very disheartening. you know, we couldn't go, we couldn't blame all of our africa, mental health trying to do it. we can say, oh, there's a lack of awareness live, but there are people doing that, that work, right? that's what we do. that's what i really does rate, but we ha

she joins us from kampala, uganda, and from jose nigeria, we have ruth tilley kado. she is a journalist and a mental health advocate. alright, avi way, i'd like to begin with you. and so you're sitting in south africa and yeah, 6 of the 10 countries in the world that had the highest suicide rates are in sub saharan africa. but 3 of those countries are actually within the borders of south africa. so i'm just, i want to ask you what's going on there, what's happening with mental health in south africa? so yeah, as you said, we definitely have a mental health crisis in south africa. the biggest challenge is that we have a challenge of avoidance. we don't have the right policies, and there's still quite a lot of stigma when it comes to mental health challenges and mental health as a whole. and we have 23 suicide deaths in south africa every day. and then $460.00 attempts of suicide deaths in south africa every single day. so at the moment it really is a crisis that we're in and we don't have enough services as a country. there's a 93 percent treatment gap. so it means th

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and to and to sort of sniff out opposition so that uganda police, when they got back to kampala a shortr, the ugandan government had signed a deal for i think was $127 million for a little kind of chinese surveillance state starter kit that museveni rolled out and used to in the last election. use successfully to track down a lot of bobby warren supporters and basically neutralize them and then emerge victorious in the in the latest elections. well, so maybe i'm going to open this up to questions in a few minutes, but along those lines, i mean, so the big question, curious and you and what i like about your book is also it along those lines the big question is a what i like about your bookh it gives great balance has china release successfully used surveillance attack about some areas but then you also talk about some flaws where this model doesn't maybe always work maybe not for export either in so you talk about it quite a bit so could you explainin how this works? >> yes. soen my research and with those models with that system so we're not trying to push. and then it feels to make a

so ugandan police they got back to kampala a short time later.e ugandan government had signed a a deal for i think $127 million for a look at a chinese surveillance state starter kit that museveni rolled out and used in the last election used successfully to track down a lot of opponent supporters and then neutralize him and emerge victorious in the latest elections. >> well, so maybe, going to open this up to questions in a few minutes, but along those lines, i means of the big question here is whato i like about your book is also it doesn't come to try to be very balanced and asked the question which is has generally successfully used surveillance for social control what youorou talk about some ers of success but you also talk about some flaws with this model may be doesn't always work, particularly not for exportei either. i think particularly liza you talk about a quite a bit side love to hear, could you explain how this works? >> sure, yeah. let me talk about another interesting finding from a research as well. when we look into export of su