those people because wisconsin, en bay, voted big for obama and then switched. 2008, and n, obama in kankakee, illinois, so is, i think they are going to be results oriented great question and i can't tell you that i have the answer. >> in the course of answering that, you hit on something i wanted to explore. is it part of what the democrats roblem was, is people were saying i perceive that i'm worse off and it seemed like on some level the democrats answer was, statistically speaking you're income has gone up 4.3%. to be sort of an analytical or statistical answer gut driven you know, sort of cry. a good i think that's point. --se statistics don't appeal they don't appeal -- if you're illinois, and your children don't have jobs, illinois,in kankakee, 20 white males over the last years, they live 3.8 years less they did before. there are job epidemics all over. the democratic party hasn't spoken to them. he assumption has been pretty much that they are there and i politics. identity they don't care much about green bay.litics in i think they don't care where you go to the bathroom. they care