kantor described the arrest and describes wirz saying -- he thinks he has amnesty. he is told, you don't have amnesty. he goes to change. his wife kindly offers a piece of cornbread. he kisses his daughters and says, what should they do to me? he responds, if they are satisfied you have been doing your duty and acting in accordance with orders, you will probably be released. hope then creeps into wirz's voice. he said, that is what i do all the time. he is speaking in a german accent, you see. i carry out orders. i do my duty. you are a soldier. that you should know. so, an accused war criminal, defending his action in a german accent, no less, saying, i was simply carrying out my superior's orders, how could you and not this in 1955 think about nuremberg trials 10 years before? you can't. that continues still today. this way in which -- in paul's talk, the evocation of the concentration camps in world war ii is perfectly natural. i am not meaning to condemn that, but it makes it a fools errand to think we can get at the truth of this because we have to see it in th

i mean keeping it away from the area of porn which isn't about kantor anyway.o i think that piece, as i write in the thing, has haunted me. >> rose: because everybody remembered it. >> remembered it. because it was in "the new yorker". because i mean when i reread it, i thought i can't believe i said all this. >> but that's who you are. i mean you say what you see an hear. >> yes, it interests me to do that. i always think of a tight el, of a collection of esquire pieces that came out years ago. the title of which was all our secrets are the same. >> i always kept that in mind. >> what does that mean to you sm. >> that if we told them, if we spilled them. >> what we don't want to tell is the same regardless of who we are? >> yes. that we keep the same things hidden. >> and a lot of it has to do, i assume, with ego and fear. >> absolutely. >> you also have this really new piece called-- about therapy which called making my therapist laugh. what is that about? >> i wrote it for this new section of the sunday review called couch. >> yes. >> and they called and ask

virginia, a flurry of last-minute stops yesterday, fighting to succeed former house majority leader kantor. and mish mcconnell is fighting to hold on to his seat in kentucky. the republican easily beat out a tea party challenger in the primary and now he's in a heated batty with kentucky secretary of state alison grimes. grimes is backed by president clinton. >> people in alaska and oregon will vote on legalizing pot while voters in maine will vote on loosening restrictions. some people in arkansas finally ready for prohibition to end. there are 37 dry counties in that state but a ballot initiative would legalize the making and selling of alcohol statewide. a september poll found 54% of voters are likely to vote against that initiative. interesting, sam. >> very much so. thank you, laura. 5:14. what is the last thing you would expect the saudis to do in the face of low oil prices? scott, you're trying to fool us? >> lower prices. really? lower prices? this is exactly what happened and why you're right on, sam. not only is gas going to get even cheaper now that the saudis have lowered price

is the mckinley kantor book reasonably accurate? >> there is no middle ground on his book that i have one minor complaint. otherwise the 700 page magnum pulitzer prize a is an incredible piece of work. it does the impossible. it survives a 360 degree view of the prison, the personalities held with in it and outside of it. he used primary source material that, even to this day, some writers refuse to engage in. it is an incredible book. my one complaint is, as a words , he was an expert in words and wanted to use provocative and memorable words, and he picked one single term for prisoner shelter when prisoners used dozens of terms. shelter, tanned, hutch, borough, blanket, shantey. he picked -- shebang. only fourry is one of prisoners in primary source material right after the war, the trial in congressional testimony, 1200 pages of material, only four times does that phrase appear. january literally says, we called our shelter shebang. i am sure he did. it is a reminder, again, that prisoners are all different. some of them do but s