. >> deputy city attorney robb kapla, we discussed some of these with the ordinance that allowed the third party recovery that we reviewed a few months back. the change as with all permit evaluations, the developer eventually pays the cost of the city to review. in this instance, weary moving -- they're still what we pay for, the expert review it's just we have the duty to hire experts that actually the city wants to contract with to review and provide the information we need and then pass those costs on to the developer. so it is still necessary to process an application that the do developer brings forward. it doesn't change that these are our experts designing a building in anyway. it's still to evaluate what the developer brings forward to the city. it's not intended to change the relationship or any way get the city more involved in the development itself. the developer produces the building designs. these are the expertise we need to evaluate the design and information. >> so the ultimate liability as it were, professional liability is on the primary engineers that the develope