and a wonderful performance of i buy from kaplan. it's got before we let you go, you've covered so many of these on 1000000000 all the film festivals, pre pandemic last year. you know, you covered it when it was all virtual this year. it is, again, it's in person event, but you know, somewhat reduced that was, it felt like this year, yet to be honest, it has felt strange. it was a relief to actually be in theaters again and to experience films with an audience . again, to have real red carpets, even if they were somewhat reduced and somewhat social distance. um, but it was a compared to last year's virtual event. it did feel like a real a festival, but it, it was dude, it, it wasn't really this sort of mass celebration of cinema that i, i, we're used to seeing here. believe people just going crazy on the right, garbage and fans screaming and, and celebrities passing by every moment on the streets. and that didn't happen this year. um. and it felt a bit more like a more reflective, a festival may be looking back of the last 2 years th

. >> reporter: for iraq war veteran rob kaplan writing helps with his substance abuse recovery and rick has the perfect tone. >> he extends the perfect warmth. i have always felt safe, welcome around him. >> reporter: participants pick their own guitar for free, most new or refurbished and donated. >> i will pick at the tempo. >> reporter: rick can site a string of stories about how heroes' voices change lives like the man convinced he would die and then rick saved his favorite tunes. >> he got out of bed to share music. >> reporter: for touching military veterans lives with the gift of music this week's jefferson award in the bay area goes to rick harrell. >> if you want to nominate someone for a bay area jefferson award, find the online form on our website kpix.com/hero. >>> next, this pup is a pro on the ice. how he is >>> a new team bringing you the kpix5 news at 5:00. we are excited to introduce sara donchey joining ryan yamamoto every day at 5:00. >>> welcome sara. we have high clouds moving in. you can see that in san francisco. temperatures are upper 50s to low 60s. through the

kaplan's held her city council seats since 2000 and eight is currently oakland's vice mayor. for june. governor newsom nominating the first latino to serve on the state supreme court. i didn't get here alone. you know, i stand on the shoulders of my parents and my grandparents who can't get this country for better opportunities for their children, and i think it's important. 50 year old patricia guerrero is a judge on the fourth district court of appeal . she is the daughter of immigrants from mexico who grew up in imperial valley. judge guerrero graduated from uc berkeley before attending stanford law school farmers in california are expressing concern following the u. s suspension of avocado imports from mexico. as misha de bono explained, some are now worried about the economic impact of the issue isn't resolved in a timely manner. there isn't really a reason to panic. people shouldn't be worried, because avocados are still flowing, but it is unchartered territory for the first time since 1997 when the united states lifted abandon avocados from certain areas of mexico, the

kaplan has held her city council seat since 2000 and eight and is currently oakland's vice mayor. the election for the board of supervisors is coming up in june, and this afternoon, the oakland city council unanimously passed a resolution aimed at trying to prevent plant school closures. it is absolutely wrongful for the state to take money from our schools. while the state is in a surplus, and the schools are vitally needed. the council will last the governor and state lawmakers to wipe out some $30 million a debt which states back to the state takeover, the district back in 2000 and three. the resolution would also request changes to state law on daily attendance, so schools are not penalized when children are out sick. earlier this month, the district voted to close or merge nearly a dozen schools to save as much as $20 million over the next two years. some dramatic moments in west oakland this afternoon as firefighters rescued people from high rise building on fire tonight. five people are recovering from their injuries and at least a dozen or displaced after this fire broke o

city council member rebecca kaplan is leading the push to move those headquarters to east oakland.and the current police headquarters site. kaplan wants developers to build at least 600 housing units with a third of the housing set aside for low income residents. we would build a new state of the art public services building at the coliseum site that would have state of the art crime labs, training facilities and other amenities and free up this large parcel at seventh and broadway, which is right near barked near downtown. at this point. no deadline has been said by the city for developers to submit plans for the project. well, today marks a special data on the calendar that's being described as two days. today's date is too 20 to 2022. many couples here in the bay area wanted to mark the date by getting married. several county clerk offices held special hours and events for couples to get married. and today we got to see some of those special weddings in san mateo county worked. 20 couples were married just today. he's like today where you have numeric numbers in sequence like it

kaplan and all of your staff for putting this together. i know it is a lot of people that work on this. we appreciate all of your work. executive director dearman thank you for the explanation. do we have questions or comments from commissioners on this budget? commissioner jung. >> one minor question. my minor question is directed to director dearman. in your budget memo you asked to address caseload growth. this would be under in home support services. there was mention for my own clarification, it was stated the state directed das that we must keep eligible clients enrolled whether or not the client is working with the provider and receiving services as opposed to disenrolling. can you talk more about that? >> we can respond more clearly. >> thanks so much for your question. a few years ago we had a visit from the department of social services. they come every year. during one particular visit when they were doing their audit of our practices. they let us know that we had unfortunately not been following state guidance around terminatin

councilmember rebecca kaplan, spearheading the plan, said it would help revitalize the downtown area. >> it would be a great site to build housing and retail and cafÉs, and make that broadway corridor better connected and more welcoming. ama: police have complained about the downtown building for years. it is 60 years old and everything from the elevators to the plumbing need updating. dan: the parolee who admitted to attacking the president of oakland's chinatown chamber of commerce was sentenced to three years in jail today. james ramsey pleaded no contest for assaulting and yelling racial slurs at carl chan in april. he was charged with assault, hate crime and parole violation. according to reports, ramsey will only spend three months behind bars due to time already served, and then will be on community supervision. chan, the victim, says he's disappointed and concerned about the safety of the community when ramsey is released. ama: new details and a freeway shooting that happened last september on highway four near the call cut tunnel. chp says yesterday they arrested 20-year-old

. >> reporter: for iraq war veteran robert kaplan, writing songs and supports his substance abuse recovery. >> he just extends his once to people. i've always felt very safe and welcome around him. >> reporter: participants pick their own guitar for free. most of them new or refurbished a donated by griffin strings instruments in palo alto. >> pick up the tempo a bit more. >> reporter: rickett can recite a string of stories about how he resources changes lives. like a man in a sightreading psychiatric icu who was convinced he would die that day, then rick shared his favorite tunes. >> he got out of bed to come make music. if you can touch lives like that, why not? >> reporter: for touching military veterans lives with the gift of music, this week's jefferson award in the bay area goes to rick harrell. >> reporter: rick also volunteers teaching senior citizens free singing lessons, over zoom. not bad. >> unbelievable. talk about taking a difficult situation, all of us have to do things differently, and still touching people's lives. unbelievable. what an inspiration. thank you. >>> we heard

am unexcused to 9 is author kaplan, he's a professor bioethics at new york university's grossman school of medicine. he's the author of many books, including vaccine ethics and policy, which cabinets good to see you again. i'm glad you had the time to talk with us to night. let me start by asking you about what we're seeing here in europe. we've got a lot of countries in northern europe who are getting rid of all of their covered restrictions, and then we brought austria that has introduced a vaccine mandate. what do you make of this? well, i think europe, us, north america are very, very tired coated. they're tired of trying to battle it. they're tired of promises that things are going to be over soon when they're not. by the way, not just due to government problems, but because the virus is changed. i still favor mandate. i still believe that the right thing to do is to protect your neighbor, to not clog the hospitals with the sick and the dying from people who are not vaccinated. and i still think vaccination is a key tool. however, it's going to be very tough to collect those fines

there i'm and it is a serious trauma, but has a lot of heart and a lot of humor, because a kaplan's performance is sort of like an erin brockovich character, who won't let anything stand in her way, not the germ bureaucracy, not the u. s. government and eventually as we know from history, she wins. okay. beautiful sort of heart warming film that i think a surprise to lot of people on here in, in berlin's particularly her performance. i think her hers is an a met line captain that be hearing a lot of in the future. it's got let me just ask you about the feel of this year's i'm festival. you've covered so many of these, you know that last year's was virtual. this year we were almost back to normal, but i mean, you said several times that it was still strange. yeah, it is strange. i mean, i've been going back to theaters and back to cinema's as soon as that was possible to do so under conditions grown conditions. so i'm used to the mass and use the social distancing. i'm, but it's still not the same. a big festival like the bailey novel, which is the biggest public festival in the world, needs cro

oakland vice mayor rebecca kaplan gave more details today about a plan to build affordable housing wherethe police headquarters building now stands. we're looking for a minimum of 600 units. this parcel is more than an acre, and it's in a very central location . we could improve the connectivity of this whole broadway corridor. make that whole area more welcoming, fix up the underpass and expand vitally needed housing, which we know our region is in a housing crisis. oh pds headquarters would move to a new building at the coliseum site in east oakland. three people are under arrest in napa in a suspected retail theft scheme. officers were called out for suspicious activity at the napa outlets yesterday. a witness saw three suspects going from store to store and loading large banks of merchandise into a rental vehicle. officials released these photos of that minivan filled with merchandise valued at over $10,000. police say the thefts were part of a sophisticated scheme that spanned several counties. this guy's got to be behind every bar because the bars know that they've got to have non

at all happened yesterday afternoon near north kaplan on crumley avenue. police say the suspect forced his way into the women's car, told her to drive to a gas station. the victims daughter and granddaughter were also inside and police say the victim pleaded for help. witnesses called 911. he is now facing multiple felony charges. >>> a small fire at the mission valley shopping center was knocked down earlier today. when firefighters arrived heavy smoke was coming from the roof of the mediterranean restaurant and hookah lounge. there were no injuries and the cause of the fire is under investigation. >>> a man accused of killing a stockton fire captain appeared in court today. police say captain max fortuna was responding to a dunster fire when he was shot and killed by robert sommerville. the suspect is facing one count of murder and one count of intentional discharge of a firearm. captain fortuna was a 21 year veteran of the stockton fire department. >> i have seen too many people die. it needs to stop. this should never have happened. this was preventabl

robin kaplan have called a tiered governance model. so social media companies also just kind of cherry bake who they want on the platform as well. they don't. yeah. okay, let me, let me put that to jeffrey because jeffrey catalina was just mentioning youtube. and we have seen this before because you to recently permanent the band, a popular video channel of a conservative commentator, also rumble a video content. producer rumble has been the target as well, criticized by some for being one of the main platforms for what they call conspiracy communities. same attack on sub sac for refusing to ban writer is deemed by some to be hateful. so is this a worrying trends? could this be seen as well? we ban anyone that's going off key. i don't think it's a worrying trend. i think it's the right step. i mean, we've been ahead, i'm the president of the united states, taken off of twitter for promoting unproven medicines and going back to what was mentioned earlier, i agree that we need to get a balance between sort of government regulation and ma

and then regarding the question commissioners about the boat, i checked with deputy city attorney kaplan and he said there are two budget hearings required but both actually take place at the february 10meeting . then it has to be five people. i think that's the super majority, it has to be a voteof five . >> sonia, can we talk about the base? >> it's separate and at 3 pm. >>. [inaudible] >> i might have to leave early. or come late to pick up my kid between three and four. but i'll be able to be moved >> thank you for that . >> any other comments president mccarthy or commissioners? >> i think we are good, sonia. >> there was nopublic comment andour next item is the adjournment . is there a motion to adjourn ? >> so moved. >> second. >> all commissioners in favor. thank you, we are now adjourned. and it is 12:00 pm exactly thank you everyone . >>

. >> talia kaplaning live look across the bay area, it's been a gorgeous day, blue skies and temps are starting to drop. we could see a chance of rain. darren peck is joining us now. we have not seen measurable rain in more than a month. >>> yeah, back to early january. that is going to grab the attention with us because there is a chance for light rain. the bigger deal is how cold it's going to get. first of all, we broke records again today. 72 in oakland, but everybody was in the low 70s. news flash, it should be low 60s right now. we've gotten so used to it that it feels normal. here are the morning lows. we'll look at the inland valleys of the east bay. 40 tomorrow, not out of the ordinary. average is 40. watch the next several mornings. 342 by wednesday, 31 by thursday. that will be noticeable and day time highs are take a plunge. san jose, 72 today, 63 is average. you're not getting out of the mid-50s for day time highs by tuesday. we'll talk about the small chance of rain coming up in the forecast. >> we have an update on the planned oakland school closings that has triggered s

councilmember rebecca kaplan says it would allow some of the else to step in and revitalize that old downtown space. >> it would be a great site to build housing and retail and cafes and really make that broadway corridor better connected and more welcoming. larry: police have complained about the downtown building for many years. it is 60 years old. everything from the elevators to the plumbing needs updating. kristen: brooklyn police have arrested a 61-year-old richmond man in connection with several incidents of lewd conduct at an elementary school. school officials at sylvia mendez elementary called police after seeing the man circling the campus in his vehicle. they say it is happened on at least 10 previous occasions. in the vehicle, police found a hunting style knife, gloves, duct tape and a bundle of zip ties. they say he is a custodian at rosa parks elementary. larry: calls are growing this afternoon for state wildfire officials to not euthanize a massive black bear who has been wreaking havoc in a residential area in south lake tahoe. it is a 500 pound bear nicknamed yogi,

and as mister kaplan can confirm the district leaves it in place . >> they were short. had to put in a sheer wall on the exterior . >> it's the exact way we did it . >> thank you. we have a question from president swig . >> president: mister patterson, i think i asked the question to the planning department as to why we are here in the first place and she answered it very clearly . she said the purpose of the suspension was to enable them to do their job and confirm that everything on this project is correct . to do that she said and i'm paraphrasing but i'm getting pretty close that she requested from your client a set of plans that way back in november to enable the planning department to assess the issue and make their findings as well as to process whether they needed more information to in fact ensure this project was up to the standards set forth by the planning department . the purpose of the suspension is for them to do their job . all this, what i'm hearing is that fine that you can make these points but that's not why we are here . these are points to make the

. >> john kaplan here to speak on behalf of the project sponsor on the office version. we're excited to be here proposing the takahashi building which will allow for the conversion of the arbor florist office to fund a restoration of the building. as a reminder several years ago the board of supervisors enacted legislation that allowed for the conversion of a limited number ofdoors to office use for a building landmark in the pdr district . this is the highest level of scrutiny of any historic building in the planning code and historic structures have been prepared which would apply greater restoration and maintenancerequirements on the building and would otherwise apply . and as a result we are proposing for the conversion of the third and fourth floors of the building to office for the landmark building rules as mister westhoff mentioned there is existing officespace in the building which we are relocating to the fifth floor and thank you mister westhoff. if you can move onto the floor plan . the upper floors are smaller, more distant from loading docks and other comp

oakland, vice mayor rebecca kaplan tweeted out this statement saying, quote, years ago the state took over control of ust and ran debts. not fair to make students, families and community suffered by closing schools to pay the debt that the state created while the state has record-breaking surplus. >> a new study from the california department of public health found that always wear their mask inside, cut their chances of catching covid-19 in half. the study also found that people who wear n 95 mask or 80% less likely to test positive for covid than those who never mask indoors. that number dropped to 60% for folks who wear surgical masks while inside. the centers for disease control and prevention has unveiled a new system that lets communities track when covid-19 infections pop up in their areas, water samples in an area typically turn positive for covid-19 anywhere from 4 to 6 days before cases in the region begin to rise. the data if you're curious is available on the cdc's website. whether time now let's talk about our 4 zone forecast. a live look at the bay bridge toll plaza on t

witness on the panel is the head of the complex litigation and a member of the board of directors at kaplane focusing on complex civil commercial litigation and has extensive experience such as the co- lead bankruptcy counsel and the divisive merger bankruptcy. >> thank you chairman white house and the ranking member and members of the subcommittee i'm here to talk about the texas two-step. it splits into two entities and one gets the assets and then to keep the keybank the second company is a shell gets almost none of the assets forgets the liability that they choose to stop to pay. those liabilities are those owed to victims like from those you just heard. the michelle company files for bankruptcy protection. this immediately cut out the ability for her to be paid for her injuries potentially for an extended period of time while other creditors continue to be paid in full and on time. so now with a non- bankrupt company almost nothing has changed because it carries out business as usual and then making the same product as the original company and customers as the original company. yet bec

oakland vice mayor rebecca kaplan tweeted out a statement today saying, quote, years ago the state tookl of ust and ran up debts. not fair to make students, families and community suffered by closing schools to pay for the debt that the state created. well, the state has record-breaking surplus. >> tonight, the rest of the country is now going through what we have been experiencing here in the bay area for several weeks. overall, hospitalizations are now starting to decline but cases and deaths still rise as the omicron surge makes its final push. but with the same thing happening in europe before this and most of the west coast already going through it as well. >> there is some hope tonight. and tom negovan has our story. >> at hospitals around the country, doctors and nurses are still running low on icu beds but hopeful. and obviously, you know, at this point who was trying to get over the current search. a surge fueled by the omicron variant 13 months into a vaccination program. many believe was the beginning of the end of the covid pandemic. or we know that across the united states

oakland, vice mayor about rebecca kaplan tweeted out this statement. years ago the state took over control of usd and ran up debts. not fair to make students, families and community suffered by closing schools to pay the death that the state created while the state has record-breaking surplus. s coming up here during kron, 4 news at 10 o'clock. president biden wants to make it easier to build roads and bridges. his new plan now to get this done. >> young arthur has readers on a wait list to read his recent hit. how an 8 year-old managed to get his book on the shelves of his local library. >> plus, the winter storm that wreaked havoc on parts of the u.s. has now moved offshore. but the cleanup efforts are underway from towns from texas to tennessee. there's this feeling we chase... like someone upped the brightness on the entire world. a full-body endorphin rush we'll chase again and again. feel the hydrow high. >> breaking news out of san jose tonight where the police department has tweeted that there's been a bad car accident and at least one person i

arthur kaplan, a medical ethics expert, says in his experience, courted tend to side with the parentwhether it's for covid or any other illness like the measles. >> to tell you the truth, in every one of these cases that i've looked at, maybe eight or nine of them, the judges side with the parent who wants to vaccinate. now, they're certainly willing to try and mediate or get the other parent to come around, but end of the day, vaccination sort of wins out. >> dr. caplan says that will also be the case once kids under 5 become eligible for the vaccine. the kaiser family foundation poll found 31% of parents with children in that younger age group said they will get their child vaccinated once it's authorized, but, shep, 26% said they will not. >> big number. valerie castro, thank you. >>> robocalls. back at the start, they were flooding our land lines, right now they've got our cell phones. a new cnbc investigation shows they can be used to target specific fortunes, especially in the cryptocurrency world >>> but first, the man behind some of the biggest comedy movies of all time has d

opponents seizing on what they see as hypocrisy abrams long vocal on masking has since apologized but art kaplanays actions speak louder. >> it's crucial that leaders do what they're telling others to do their moral authority comes in commanding trust, commanding respect, having people believe that you're going to do what you're telling me to do. >> reporter: a gallup poll taken near the height of the omicron surge found 94% of democrats largely more worried about catching covid had worn a mask in the last week compared to just 48% of republican voters. gop lawmakers view unmasking as a point of pride paying $500 apiece for refusing to mask on the floor of the house to conservatives wracking up $100,000 in fines and county. virginia's republican governor ditching his mask in a deep blue city where they're still recommended. >> you are in alexandria read the room, buddy >> reporter: california's mask mandate ends tuesday but l.a.'s will stay in place everyone at sofi stadium on sunday will receive a kn95 mask at their seats care of the nfl shep >> kayla, thanks. >>> she made olympic history then

it's admitting -- my lawyer the brilliant robby kaplan summed it up best saying in essence this lawsuit is donald saying we need to shut her up because she's revealing the truth about what we did and we need to keep in place the document that prevents her from talking about all the crimes we committed. >> it really is a confirmation that the guy is pretty crooked. >> it's the same thing with my fraud lawsuit against them which alleges they stole quite a large sum of money from me after my dad died when i was 16 and he was 42 even though they were my trustees at the time. they don't argue that they didn't commit fraud, they say there's a statute of limitations that passed. it's the same sort of thing. >> i also thing he's made that the rnc didn't have to buy hundreds of copies of your book. with don jr., with the hostility your book became a best seller and they didn't have to buy hundreds of copies. >> i'm happy people bought it and it served a purpose and people found it useful. that's one of the gratifying things people said, that they recognize their own families in it and it helped

good old abe abe rhymes with gabe, which of course reminds me of the great gabe kaplan.ould -- he should really have a statue too, if you ask me welcome back, kotter kotter he left, but he came back. he came back he came back and he whipped those sweathogs into shape oh, we love the sweathogs, don't we, folks? we love -- wha-- folks?" [ laughter ] i'm pretty sure that once trump got rolling, even lincoln skooched his chair back a little [ scraping ] really good. [ light laughter ] guys, this is the first time we see the graphics too [ light laughter ] so if a single tear rolls down my face, just know it's 'cause i'm really [ bleep ] proud of what they did today. [ laughter ] also, check out this close-up of putin's advisers yikes! they look like they are all in the waiting room for a colonoscopy. you know things are bleak when even putin's closest and most loyal advisers don't want to look him in the eye. that's the way my staff looks at me when i say, "i think i might do my al pacino impression tonight. what do you think, mikhail mikhail? should i do the pacino, barb ba

of the bankruptcy and complex litigation practice groups and a member of the board of directors at kaplan and driesdale. his practice focusing on complex civil and commercial litigation and protecting creditor rights in chapter 11 bankruptcy cases. he has extensive experience in such representations including colead bankruptcy counsel in the dbmp and aldrich pump advisive merger bankruptcies. mr. mclay. >> i would like to thank chairman whitehouse with ranking member kennedy and members of the subcommittee for inviting me to testify here today. my name is kevin mclay and here to talk about the texas two-step. the texas two-step is at its core extremely simple. the company splits into two entities, one of the entities gets nearly all assets. and whatever liabilities the company decides it wants to keep paying. the second company is a mere shell. it gets almost none of the assets but gets whatever liabilities the company chooses to stop paying. to date those disfavored liabilities have been those owed to tort victims like ms. naranjo sitting a chair over to my right. then the shell company

i think that was very wise ofjudge lewis kaplan.e and also be subjected to very hostile cross—examination. on the other hand, prince andrew has avoided being able to have to give evidence on oath about what he did, the detail, the gory detail about which he would be cross examined. of course also that last hearing, the reason he was stripped was that the public started to question the role of the wider royal family, whether the queen was paying his legal fees, which of course she wasn't. and why she had stripped him of his various titles epic essentially, prince andrew has taken one for the team. he's prevented any further damage to the wider royal family. this clears the way for us to appreciate the queen as our sovereign whose public service of the last 70 years, we can celebrate that untroubled by the possibility of stories emerging about prince andrew and virginia giuffre in the detail of what the allegations were in the american courtroom. allegations were in the american courtroom-— allegations were in the american courtroom.

this comes in response to investments and activities by dallas federal reserve president robert kaplan. they made millions of dollars and cause a controversy, both resigned last year. they did nothing wrong under the old rules that led to an appearance of inside knowledge. there is a greater disclosure for fed investment and visibility on financial moves. the senior officials have one year to settle their accounts. these rules go into effect on may 1st. dave: if we could do the same for members of congress. thank you very much. president biden looking to boost the missouri budget is war worries ramp up. a report from capitol hill next. since i left for college, my dad has gotten back into some of his old hobbies. and now he's taking trulicity, and it looks like he's gotten into some new healthier habits, too. what changes are you making for your type 2 diabetes? maybe it's time to try trulicity. it's proven to help lower a1c. it can help you lose up to 10 pounds. and it's only taken once a week, so it can fit into your busy life. trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. it isn't for people wi

the incentive for both parties, judge kaplan had realised and exulted both parties to settle.ology before to the victims epstein, in that car crash interview on newsnight and he said he had never met virginia giuffre and now he is paying significant millions of dollars to her. there has been quite a shift here and i think as a consequence he cannot reappear in public life. in some ways an out—of—court settlement draws a line underneath it but in another way it opens as many doors as possible speculation, which doesn't go away. i as possible speculation, which doesn't go away.— as possible speculation, which doesn't go away. i think that is riaht doesn't go away. i think that is ri . ht and doesn't go away. i think that is right and one _ doesn't go away. i think that is right and one of _ doesn't go away. i think that is right and one of the _ doesn't go away. i think that is right and one of the key i doesn't go away. i think that is right and one of the key thingsj doesn't go away. i think that is i right and one of the key things that will have to be clarified by prince and

camila barco kron. 4 >> in response to the demonstrations this weekend, oakland vice mayor rebecca kaplanatement saying, quote, years ago the state took over control usd and ran up debts. not fair to make students, families and communities suffer by closing schools to pay the debt the state created while the state has record breaking surplus, end quote. to some covid-19 news now. overall hospitalizations due to covid are going down across the nation. however, cases and deaths are still rising in some parts of the country as the omicron surge continues to make its final push. but if you look at what's already happening here on the west coast and what's happened in europe before us, there is some hope tom negovan has details. >> at hospitals around the country, doctors and nurses are still running low on icu beds but hopeful. and obviously, you know, at this point who is trying to get over the current search. a surge fueled by the omicron variant 13 months into a vaccination program. many believe was the beginning of the end of the covid pandemic. or we know that across the united states an

. >> yes, reasonable kaplan finds for example $2500 or how many hours ofpay . that could beagreeable . >> i think it's important for the record because something that we care about is helping small business employees actually get the benefit that big businesseshave. big business employees have . we don't want to create a threshold that then knocks small businesses out of education resources and tools to give their employeesbenefits to . so i think that's important to get on the record is we want to not be punitive to micro and small businesses but we still want them to have access to the resources that big businesses have fortheir employees . whatever that number landsat for that threshold, please keep in mind if we can include this language in our recommendation we want small business employees to be able to have access to olsc in the same way . >> that's interesting.what we commissioner huie, speak up at this point. feelfree to interrupt or anything , that's fine let's just have a conversation . you know, perhaps like the right way to split the apple here is