and in los angeles, kara swisher, co-executor of the website. tough column out this morning saying this incident was monumental proportions and not only did the top editor and publisher know about it, but how badly is the "washington post" reputation damaged by this? >> badly. look, if you read this initial flier, it talked all about be one of the precious few to be in on altering the legislation. i mean, they were so explicitly selling access and influence. kay graham, publisher of the post, used to hold gatherings like this all the time. very useful to everybody. now selling seats at her grandmother's table and that is way over the line. >> it seemed like it was selling access. by the way, the "post" editor declined to appear on this program. by the way, the president of the "post" company steve hill refused to be interviewed about this, what i find amazing. did the apology and swift cancellation of these dinners help here? >> she had to apologize, it was a marketing flier that went out before they approved it. they went a little far having it