one of those people is kara swisher, she wrote in the "new york times" about her experience trying to get her fox news watching mom to take the health crisis seriously. and kara, i know you have a story that i've heard from a lot of people because there are a lot of people in the country who have gotten the message that it's not that big of a deal, and it has been hard to convince them to do the kinds of things like physical distance. you can even see now this sort of substrate of passive aggressive resentment that is coming off the air waves over there. >> sure. what they're trying to do is they initially had very bad information on the air, something that both my brother and i -- my brother's a front line doctor in san francisco working on this problem -- we were trying to get my mom great information. so one of the problems was we were pushing up against the stuff being broadcast very early on by fox news, much of which was highly dangerous. so i wrote a column about it. one of the things i think they sort of went crazy, the fact that i pointed out what a lot of people are experien

kara swisher co-founder of recode and a cnbc contributor joins us now great to have you back. >> hi, how are you doing >> is doing pretty well. so how to make america 2.0 a more equitable society this column, let's start with specifically what america 2.0 is referring to since we have heard a number of folks, including the likes of mark cuban refer to this in recent days. >> actually, i interviewed him and we talked about it and that's where i got the idea from he was talking about what is it. everyone's conception of what it is different and his whole point and many others, ray dalio on your program, called it the new future, all kinds of ways, pivot, whatever you want to do, what is america 2.0. we're beyond 2.0 for a long time now, but it's a good metaphor. what is it for mark it's focused on a.i., automation, robotics, less focus on college i think he talked about that a little bit me it's more focused on workers' rights, more focused on the idea of around privacy. it's focused around all kinds of things i wanted to get a discussion on what that means and what tech could do to fa

joining me to discuss, kara swisher, co-founder of ricude. i am so happy to be -- not happy.o be talking about this with you because all week long you've been discussing it. you and i both share moms who watch fox news. and you called fox news out and you've gotten a major response in the op-ed that you wrote calling them out for their coronavirus coverage. tell us more about it. >> yeah, i wasn't writing about fox per se, it was my mom and the information she was getting. she's in florida right now and thankfully they had the shutdown there finally. early in the -- in march, she -- in february, she had a lot of information that just was terrible, including that it was just like the flu and that she could go out and that there was no problem and that it was a democratic talking point to score political points. it was all kinds of really bad information. and i realized it was a lot of stuff that was being said on fox news. she was just parrotting it. a lot of people who have elderly parents have this issue. and so it was -- so i wrote about it. and it was me and my brother who