joining us now is kara swisher, the host of the podcast "on with kara swisher."s been in one of these trump investigations. what did he tell you? >> well, a lot of things. but i think the january 6th investigation is what he was talking about because he was talking about his state of mind or the intent of the election fraud. he was talking about his state of mind, obviously their breaks for lots of reasons. and he feels as if he has a lane to be in even though he's way down in the polls, but there's a lane if donald trump, you know, has more legal problems and can't continue the race. that's his debt i guess. >> he said when he's president he'll give me an interview. i think there's a lane here for someone else who's not donald trump. >> they're political opponents christie and trump. >> well, i think he thinks he's scared of going to jail. he recounted a dinner that he had with him. >> christie had with -- >> with trump. and i think this was a new jersey senator of some sort, senator and trump said he's really going to jail, he's really going to jail and seemed

i want to talk about this now with kara swisher, host of "pivot," who is on right now. >> how are you doing? >> i'm good. i wonder about the free speech discussion with elon musk. he is billing x as a free speech platform. if competitors and news sites are being throttled, as they say, is the platform really that open? >> he said he was going to do a cage match in rome with mark zuckerberg. let's keep that in context. he did send him creepy stalker tweets at him last night. that's the context. it's free speech for he but not for we. whatever he wants. he did buy the company. this the thing he complained about, was throttling and shadow banning. that wasn't happening before. except when people broke the rules of the platform. they will continue to say it's not so. there's no rigorous way of doing it. he decided who to favor and not to favor. who to give money to and not to give money to. every aspect of this, it's what he wans and his world and we just live in it. it's not a surprise. they dethrottled certain of the news organizations. maybe he is mad about a review of his cars or didn

my dear friend kara swisher is here to give us her view. large of new york magazine, host of the podcast pivot, and the author of the new memoir, which are not even going to get to see until next march, but i'm going to show you this bat amazing cover, burn book, a tech love story. as i said, i'm so happy to see you. you look great, as always. >> thank you. >> all right, talk to us. elon elon musk as mark zuckerberg. first, i don't want to start with a cage match. let's talk business. the tension between the two of them and business is only growing. it was a few weeks ago you were like threads, it's here to take on the world, and i'll tell you, we are signed up for it, but i feel like it's losing a bit of its mantra. >> i don't think so. it's going slowly. we use regularly now, and i don't use twitter as much except to tweet elon and mark zuckerberg, that's pretty much my twitter experience right now. but i think least things take time to grow. there's a lot of them. and as twitter, i'm not calling it acts, whatever they want to call it, ge

. >> and chris christie spoke with new york magazine's kara swisher about his role in the trump investigationstioned in any of the investigations? >> one of them. >> which one? >> i can't say. >> what was the broad idea? >> they were trying to get a handle on what i knew about his knowledge of the reality of the election results. >> were you helpful? >> i was honest. >> that would make it two of trump's political rivals interviewed for this investigation. will that make a difference to voters? >> i just don't think it will. you look at the polls and it is showing as many as 97% of republicans are actually still -- primary voters are still strongly in support of donald trump. i don't think it will make a difference at all. with chris christie, i think that his numbers are coming down, although i don't know how much further you can get down below 1%. so, these numbers are pretty baked in. i think good for chris christie and a couple of the others who are being a critique and check on donald trump and i don't think it will matter. >> david, chris christie then made a surprise visit to ukraine. he

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kara swisher calling me marmaswammy the other day and reveling in making twists of my last name. people reducing me to the color of my skin and -- >> but do you acknowledge that the dogma does still exist in the united states? >> i acknowledge that all forms of racial animus exist in the united states, including fringe branches -- that's clearly what was at the head of this mentally deranged individual responsible for this shooting, yes. but i think there are many forms of mental derangement that cause us to see one another on the basis of our skin color and our attributes. and i think what i need to revive, dana, it's my job as the leader, hopefully as the next president to do this, to revive our doctrine of eplur bus uh unum. our true strength is the set of ideals that unite us. that's my job to revive as our next president. and i think that the next generation in particular is so starved for that, starved for commonality, starved for a nation that is unified, bigger than the sum of its parts, that's what we need to recreate in this country. to those who say the remedy to past

we've got a great lineup of smart and thoughtful voices, jamele javid, kara swisher, matt lewis, whenh the one and only morgan freeman. but first, an ironic twist everyone. before 9/11, and of course, before becoming trump's wing man, a man by the name of rudy giuliani made his name for putting mobsters behind bars. he did so, i might add, using the very same laws that are being used against him. twdecades ago, he actually wrote on his book in leadership, and i'm quing here, i dreamed up the tactic of using the federal racketeer influence and corruption organizations act to prosecute the mafia leadership, unquote, otherwise known as rico, for those following along. at the time, the law was actually relatively new. giuliani, well, he popularized it, making it the model for state and federal prosecutors for decades to come when it comes to large groups attempting a type of conspiracy, including, i might add, fani willis. the fulton county d.a. is now trading rudy giuliani with several crimes for his efforts to allegedly overturn the election, including racketeering. now, the rico law, s

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. >> by tesla's because polarizing, i know kara swisher is a care sessions. scott gallagher, popular podcast scott callaway gave us sort as electric vehicle thinks musk is too much. people are actually selling their some people refuse buy them. i'd like you to nice electric vehicle. my next one would probably be a bmw or something along those lines versus tesla. so he's going to have to compete on price now. and new technology is not going to do it forever. but keep in mind, he's got 65% market share. he's not hurting and he owns all the supercharger network going forward. >> so i'm and sell the stock. i'm saying that he's polarizing. but in then he's in the right so whatever makes you money. >> in the people. for some people to right yet. what it what i mean, you are a financial it with this is what you're going on is what's going to money right? >> you might remember many years ago, dan and low tesla, marc dann and i loved we've both done well. he's is the right test is really about position for the future, but they're now doing things instead of being a co

grasp of reality i want you to take a listen to something chris christie who to say to journalist kara swisherher podcast. >> have you been questioned in the investigations? >> questioned in any investigations. one of them. >> which one? >> i can't say. >> okay. >> but one of them. >> one of them. >> uh-huh. >> and what was the broad idea? >> they were trying to get a handle on what i knew about his knowledge of the reality of the election results. >> okay. all right. and when was this? >> when was i questioned? >> uh-huh. >> six weeks ago. >> six weeks ago. >> eight weeks ago. >> glenn, read between the lines for me. what do you make of that exchange? >> you know, if it was six weeks ago it feels like it was part of, you know, jack smith tying up loose ends or making sure he covered all the bases before he had the grand jury vote out the four-count indictment on which donald trump was arraigned yesterday, and i think this, again, proves the point, alicia, that donald trump will be convicted at trial with evidence, with testimony that comes from a chorus of republican voices. not only republic