what, what generation the civilized world put in the 45th year , you know and you mentioned serhiy karaganovll tell you that i was at a closed meeting council of foreign defense policy, which was then headed by serhiy kharganov, it was the beginning of the 90s and there was a specially closed meeting dedicated to the relations between russia and ukraine. i am a russian citizen that i cannot be in such places when there were such times and there the first deputy minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation anatoliy demyshyn spoke with a report on relations with ukraine. well, as the deputy speaks, they have signed such and such such agreements are being prepared such and such such agreements ukraine demands such we require such an ordinary diplomatic analysis, and here one of the participants of the meeting asked mr. demyshyn, but what do you think, in general, how the relations between the russian federation and ukraine should be developed on demishuyu an experienced diplomat looks at this person and says how about an ordinary independent state and i felt the dissatisfaction of the

i was a deputy of the first convocation and sergey karaganov spoke there.us in russia. let's say, well, an ideologue or not. an ideologist or a leader of russian- racism today, i can say. and he said right then at the conference that the political project of ukraine will not prosper for more than 20 years. project and all the more well, what does it mean about the existence of more than 20 years, so here it is already uh, they just didn't have time not to declare independence as already in the kremlin or in the kremlin or in let's say so in their uh brain centers there was a strategy of what if what in 20 years ago, they had to make ukraine disappear as a state, and today, well, almost 30 years have passed. they remember. they did everything possible. they put kuchma in place of kravchuk because kravchuk had already become a nationalist for them, and for them there should be a pro-russian president and therefore through certain mechanisms, you know the agreements and blackmails. kuchma was declared president in the early elections, but did not win the elect