let's get back to kareem abdul jabar. saying they are failing to live up to the responsibilities that come with celebrity. athletes are under no obligation to be spokespersons for the government but this is a matter of public health. this seems a little unfair racial pressure on one person, andrew wiggins here. >> you know, i don't sense that it's a racial pressure on andrew. i think it's team pressure, because, again, the vast majority of people who are not getting vaccinated are people who don't understand the science, don't want to understand the science, and they don't seem to realize if they get sick they have to trust the science because they end up in the hospital. the question is, what are you going to do right now, whether you're black or white, to deal with this. in the case of andrew wiggins, maybe being black is a factor, but he hasn't said that. but there is an obligation to your kmurnts, to your team. if you want to criticize andrew wiggins, i understand. it's a personal decision, but it impacts a lot people

joining us is kareem abdul jabar.lling on all players to get vaccinated or lose your right to be in the league. kareem, it's always a pleasure to speak to you. you have a very direct stance on this. explain. >> i think that anyone who in this time of covid-19, that anyone that does not understand the need for vaccination is being very irresponsible, a, for not finding out what it's about, and then b, for not doing something about it if they find that there's a problem. and so many of us have understood that there's a problem here and don't want to endanger our teammates or the people that you have to work with in the front office, all these people, you know, work in close contact with the players and are susceptible to catch the virus. it's a very insidious thing. so we need to take all the precautions we can in order to not be vulnerable to the virus. and anyone who has not made the effort to educate themselves on this issue really is irresponsible and they should not be allowed to play. >> what would you say to brad

kareem abdul-jabar, everyone. we'll be right back. bar, everyo. we'll be right back.oot you an estimate as soon as i get back to the office. hey, i can help you do that right now. high thryv! thryv? yep. i'm the all-in-one management software built for small business. high thryv! ow. get a free demo at thryv.com. >>> a department of homeland security whistleblower found some intel because they made president biden look bad. >> we completed the assessment in march of 2020, and it doesn't go out for months. and the reason for that is ken cuccinelli and chad wolf and others consistently wanted several areas changed. one was on the white supremacy part and the other was on the russian disinformation. >> did they explain why they thought that made president trump look bad? >> is to cuccinelli told me because of the president's statement in charlottesville, and more as the spring and summer of 2020 went along as it related to the murder of george floyd and other things in that time era that it would make the president look bad. that was his exact words. >> there you have it

i'll read you something you heard from kareem ab bul -- abdul jabar.failing to live up to celebrity. how does that affect dumb jocks, up able to look at scientific evidence and reach a rational conclusion. >> i found, sadly, worse than that. when i reported my book, a team doctor told me some players straight up didn't believe the virus was real. now, we have kyrie's aunt telling me about dr. falsfalsey quote, unquote. and another player told me masks don't work. the nba tries to lead in science, but players don't want to be nasal swabbed every day, would rather be out at the club. >> what are the vaccinated players saying about this? karl-anthony towns is -- that is a tragic story. he's lost so many people, and he himself got it bad. i was reading it yesterday, he lost 50 pounds. there was this first game back, he could barely get back on the court. couldn't play against nba cencenter s because he was too light. >> i think you'll see education coming from players like that to veterans, stars, and a lot of unvaccinated stars, as well as young players a