. ♪ melissa: he really personifies activists shareholder, but karel icons and now seems to be my wayhighway. listen to these stats the "wall street journal" put together. he is paid 68 flights in the past 10 years, 11 last year, three already in 2013. so we're wondering is he a hero to shareholders were suggested in the power of money to move the market for his own profit? joining me now mark stephen, the ceo of msc o..com. and writing about him for the "wall street journal," two of the best guys to possibly talk about this. i always wondered this because he is in there and doea lot of good for shareholders, at the same time he makes money, a lot of it is about ego. >> he could not care less about anybody else but carl. it does not mean the shareholders are not benefiting from what he does. i always said the carl doesn't like anybody. i know the guy really well. we were neighbors in new york. he is the smartest guy i have ever met. i spent time alone with bill gates, former secretary treasury was my client. carl is by far the smartest men i ever met. he amassed a fortune without a co