the time that things would have been -- they had two women editors at the time that i knew, and karen bergen was heading it up, so they're making some way in that sector, but when i would talk to them about issues, i was kind of aware, painfully, that i was probably the first person of color to bring those things up to them. how do you edit a story when you don't have any experience with people of color, and you don't even have any people of color working in your organization. >> max, it's a chicken and egg, and do readers dictate what hollywood does, or does onboard? >> sometimes hollywood does make a bold move, like making sam jackson nick fury. the original nick fury was white. and the orm blade was white. and not wesley snipes, but what's great about comics, you have a much healthier, robust indy comic scene, and it can be started from the ground up. one of my favorites takes place in a modern native american community. which has a white guy, and it's a window to the world for me. and i don't think that would have been in hollywood because it's what is this going to cost? rob, do minorit