. >> as cleveland's public health director, karen butler is in charge of pregnancy programs like "moms first" that are designed to help pregnant mothers. despite the success of that program, some argue that it's only reaching a fraction of the population that needs help. >> through this mom's first program we have had tremendous success. in fact our most recent reports on our infant mortality rate demonstrate that there has been a steady decline in the infant mortality rate among our participant population. >> the city of cleveland, if you compare the rates, it's worse than any other us city. >> ok, so that. >> were you aware of that? >> not that we were the absolute worst. no. >> did you think you were in the bottom five? >> um, cleveland is one of the cities, one of the major large metropolitan cities that has a major issue with infant mortality as well as many of the other healthcare issues. >> but if you look at the picture of the city, the rates are worse than countries like albania and sri lanka. i mean that's surely not something you can be proud of. >> we're not, nor would we i

to page butler, karen, what do you think? >> no. cell phone ban. i mean, if you can't use your cell phone and that distracts you, putting on makeup in a car, i mean, i've seen women putting on mascara with their sun visor down holding on to the wheel with one hand, and it's distracting. i think that the states have the right to do whatever they need to do to assure that the other drivers are safe while these, you know, distracted drivers are on the road. >> but extending it to eating in your car? >> richard simmons would like that, i think, no eating in the car limits it. but it is too general. it's too vague. >> could you imagine if somebody pulls him over? >> it would be a riot. it would be fun. it's too general, though. it's ridiculous. it is too broad. you're saying that drivers can't do anything that's unrelated to operating a motor vehicle. you can't have your granola bar, your doughnut, you can't have a sip of your coffee. it's crossing the line. >> i think it should be more specific. maybe not putting on makeup, not eating,