karen desoto is still on the line for us. karen, as we were getting from kristen dahlgren about these other charges, whether or not they were proved or not proved by the government, it seems almost half and half what they were able to prof in terms of which murders they are considering him to be guilty of as opposed to the ones they're not. >> right, exactly. i mean, with the case of 72 witnesses, 840 exhibits, and there was a lot of back and forth. obviously, other people have gone in for the murders correlated to this case. one of the ongoing arguments was, you know, the evidence from the other trials, whether that was going to be allowed into this trial. obviously, when you have so many -- when you have 19 killings, obviously the prosecutors did a great job with doing as much as they could. you know what? as far as the jury, really, great job that they were able to, you know, go through all of these cases, the 19 killings, and actually have a clear head enough to say, you know what, there wasn't enough evidence in one, but

. >> joining me, defense attorney and former prosecutor karen desoto. i think the question that people are asking most, that's fundamental in the minds of people who watched that 16 minutes -- which felt like an hour talk by ariel castro today -- why does he get to talk and why does he get to talk last? >> different jurisdictions -- it is rooul reit is really up to t judge's discretion. a lot of clients say, if the judge doesn't let me talk, i want to say something. the deal is cut with a lot of prosecutors. attorneys say just do a general apology and just sit down and don't go on and on and on because then you don't want the judge laying in to them and making a big scene. so a lot of the times we just say do a general apology and sit down. now i can tell you for that that that does not always happen. client will stand up and they will give a speech and sometimes it gets a little crazy. >> there's no time limit imposed by the court. >> the judge can say that's enough. it real slit judge's discretion. depending on what jurisdiction. some of the judges --