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to make sense of what happened there and what's happening in the nfl, friend of the show, karen desotore. karen, the nfl has a massive legal and moral problem over the last 14 years, 77 players have been involved in domestic violence incidents and that's all we know about, right? there are perhaps, many more that we don't know about. it's a national problem, but let's deal with the nfl and it's not about ray rice and certainly not about roger goodell and a massive problem. what should the nfl do to try to get a handle on this. >> first of all, with such a high rate you might want maybe have mandatory counseling for all of those people that have those issues. for all of the ones that we know about, when about. the ones that we don't know about. people will say football is an inherently violent sport and they'll be at a higher risk and you can make it a prior onity. you can make it it a directive that we are not going to tolerate it. that's what you do. that's what the nfl does. it's a billion dollar corporation. they know what they're doing and trust me, if somebody will take away your

joining me now, karen desoto.ury initially had until october. >> yeah, and now it's for three months. how long is the grand jury process normally for a potential murder case? >> it's a long process, alex. one of the reasons for that is because there is multiple cases being heard at the same time. it's not just this one. the grand jury is responsible for numerous cases. you could probably expect this case could go on for another month. that would not be unusual. >> don't you think a high profile case would be pushed to the front of the pack. >> look, you have played both sides here, so which side benefits usually when this goes on so i can tell you as a crimi defense attorney, the fact they are doing actual transcripts in the grand jury is a great thing for criminal defense attorneys but the longer it goes on, it doesn't matter with a grand jury. i can tell you as an attorney we say a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. so that really is the way it goes, which is one of the reasons that in this case that a lot of

former defense attorney and prosecutor karen desoto. you called for roger goodell's resignation. what's your reaction to his interview tonight? >> i still am perplexed, and the same thing with the team as well, lawrence, that you can not look at the first video that was released where, in fact, janay was dragged out of there, moved aside and she's clearly unconscious, i can't get it through my skull that neither the commissioner of the nfl nor the owner steve bisciotti could think, how did this woman become unconscious? there's only one way, and as far as i'm concerned, we know what happened in that elevator before we saw the tmz video. we didn't know exactly how he hit her. we knew he knocked her unconscious. i don't understand how anybody else did not come to that conclusion including -- and this is shameful -- including the prosecutor's office. >> roger goodell added this in the interview tonight. let's listen to this. >> well, we certainly didn't know what was on the tape,ing but we have been very open and honest, and i have also, from two weeks ago when i acknowledged that w

joining me now is karen desoto, an attorney in new jersey.s a standard statement that james mcclain's been giving from the start, that he got exactly what everybody else gets. now we find out 99% of them don't get that deal. >> right. and we talked about this last week, lawrence, that it's very rare. one of the reasons why it's rare, pti is not available for violent crimes. and this is considered a violent crime. >> this is not a violent crime? there was a video of ray rice punching. >> when i was a prosecutor, we did not dismiss these cases. i would be very surprised if i was the attorney and applied for pti and got it. the videotape makes it very clear, which is something as a prosecutor you don't have. but i can tell you, as a directive, you don't dismiss them at all in domestic violence cases. you have a separate unit for that. they're taken very seriously. so this was a 1%, and this was a gift. >> some people tried to suggest that james mcclain might have some trouble prosecuting this case if ray rice's wife refused to testify against hi