we go to karen finney who is also the national spokesperson for the 2016 clinton campaign, and also withs on msnbc for quite some time. great to see you. >> richard, it is great to see you. >> and how is this going to resonate nfor the the democrats as they are trying to push the energy forward in 2018 and i say like it is miles away, but it is that we are in the year. looking at november based on the very remember november chant coming out on the streets across the country today. >> you know, that is right. i will tell you that i was actually down at the march here in washington, d.c., earlier today, and the overresounding chants was vote them out. and i think that if you are -- it is a couple of things, frankly, richard. and democrats have to continue to work very hard between now and november, because as you know, anything can happen, and i mean, think about how much has happened this week that you would not have predicted. you to continue to reach out to the grass roots and make sure that we are talking to the voters and helping to get the voters to the poll, and making sure that the

democratic strategist and former clinton campaign spokes person karen finney. american conservative union matt schlapp. congressman ben ray lujan. of new mexico. greta van susteren. anchor of voice of america's plugged in. and abc news political director rick klein. so karen, let me start with you. the president says donald trump is on the ballot. >> you mean bannon says. >> sorry. >> no, he's not the president yet. whoo. that was a slip. >> steve bannon says donald trump is on the ballot. what do you think? >> he wants you to believe that. that's what -- >> don't you want to believe that, too? >> no. here's the thing. from the work that i've been doing, what people care about is their own lives. they're not as concerned about donald trump right now. he's not as much of a motivating factor in the way that he is potentially for republicans. what bannon is trying to do is keep the base stoked and fired up. >> the whole resist -- isn't this all about fighting, pushing back on -- >> here's part of the problem they have. at the same time, talking about immigration.

and karen finney. democratic strategist. former clinton campaign spok spokesperson.on, let me begin with you. this is evidence that the president is watching television this morning. echoing one of the arguments made by rudy giuliani that the president should have been told about the investigation into his campaign. should have been told about the investigation into paul manafort. that's become a new talking point for his team. >> several new talking points. all of them aimed at undermining the credibility of the special counsel. we have gone from cooperation to the attack and vilify mode. the memo sounded like what richard nixon told robert frost. when the president does it, it's not illegal. that is part of the argument. the president's legal team feel they did too much. by way of cooperation in the past year. turned over too many document. allowed too many advisers to be interviewed. that is all stopping. >> is this strategy going to hold? >> the simple question is, where is the collusion? mueller was appointed to see if there was collusion with russia. there is n