is this just karen green burg being an obsessive compulsive about an issue americans have lost track of and doesn't matter anywhere? why when we did see horrific things happen, beheadings and horrific human rights, terrorism directed at the united states, i guess my question is, so what? i mean, you know, not speaking on behalf of myself, but on behalf of many people i know and around the country. how is that? >> okay. so here is why. here is the answer to that. yeah, that's two dozen people. we don't care about them. we're over it. we understand it's because of 9/11. but it is such a thing about mission creep and who we find as an enemy and that could change at my moment. this is not a legal principal that's been codified or voted upon that we accept as part of our body of politics. that's why we're keeping gaun tan know, one of the reasons. if you think you can contain this, that's one thing. >> let me interrupt, steve, if i can, which is part of the answer to this so what? five years ago, we wrote a report at the aclu and it is called a call to courage and it was essentially a cal