tools, the dismantling of american democracy from the war on terror to donald trump. professor karen greenberg, thanks for coming on going underground, given the extraordinary rendition water boarding drone strikes, we saw joe biden's drone strike killing 7 at cobb over the afghan withdrawal. subtlety isn't the 1st thing that comes to mind. what are these subtle tools in the title of your new book? ok, yes that's. that's one of the things they're, they're not, some things are not so settled. but my idea is that all the policies that you've mentioned, whether it's drone tag renditions to torture, et cetera. were what we saw, but always just as important, if not more important was how they were done. and the tools that were used to create these policies and there until the united states recognizes these tools and addresses those. we are still vulnerable to the kinds of excesses on laws and norms that we, i encountered and suffered in the wake of the task at $911.00. because some might say that the way before 911, these tools were being used in the assassination strikes. i don't know che guevara,