karen greenberg, thank you very much indeed for tremendous appreciate your time. thank you. to run to non accused of ordering, the 1994 massacre of about 2000 people sheltering in a church is being arrested in south africa food and it's kind of she may have been around since 2001 when he was in dotted for genocide a, his role in the mass killings at the new 100 catholic church is expected to be transferred to run to for trial. in the 100 day reign of violence in 1994, about 800000 brandons were slaughtered by who to munitions about 75 percent of the truancy population was killed. as one of those many moderate tutors, about 75000 children who survived the fighting last one or both of the parents, a 1000000 people were internally displaced. and up to 2000000 people left the country including many of the perpetrators. catherine stories monitoring developments from nairobi as cachimba was arrested on wednesday. he has been on the run for many years and he is expected to be arranged in court on friday. and it's also expected that he could eventually be taken to you in a court tha

it's karen greenberg is a us national security expert and director of the center on national security at fordham university school of lou. she says the sentence sends a clear message to those involved in the rods. we see, you know, lower level people within these organizations be conducted or plead guilty. and um, and we haven't seen very long prison sentences. and now that we have discharged to this just conspiracy, we have a commensurate present sentence. i think it says a very strong message to any of any individuals. we're thinking of doing this again . and i think that as in part goes into to how this sentence is uh, 2 teeth and carried out. and i think going to be interesting to see how the other seditious conspiracy conditions are met with sentences in coming weeks and months when we, when, when we see what happens the feelings of those who are getting involved in these organizations, or i don't think leniency is going to make them less convicted about their area, logical modems, i think however, this is a bigger story that we need to talk about here, which is yes, they're conf