and so don houston of el rio and karen hessler, are the business representatives on the task force and myself, presented on what businesses have to go through to open their business? what are the state, federal and local regulations that businesses need to be aware of and to comply with? what was interesting is that there is both don and both karen and one business knew about california employers association, which is a non-profit entity that is there to help businesses with human resource issues. and it's really designed for smaller businesses, and then one business didn't know about it. so this really helped for us to demonstrate the complexities. and i think there is always just this assumption that you put something into law and businesses know about it. and that really, not until a business gets to be about 100 employees, do they start having, according to the california employers association sort of in-house human resources person on staff. so this really helped us to sort of demonstrate the complexity. i think our kind of message is with the task force is more regulation may not