now karen kaiser, the general counsel to the a p, spoke at this hearing and said that journalist should be given notice, and a chance to challenge prosecutors efforts to seize their data. how do you see it there? yes. so look as a journalist, i understand the need for sources. it's incredibly important to what we do. the ability to have confidential sources. the idea that you don't have to be subpoenaed that no one has to come in and try to, to access your work files is jerry never said it said they just go to the icloud and they can access it there. they don't have to have your permission, they just go and get it and they can find out who your sources are. i think there's a huge issue there and it needs to be discussed. but i will say this. i am always concern whenever there is discussion of creating a protected class of people. why would journalists be given a more protection in this situation than just the average american citizen? i don't believe that's the right step. the right stuff is not to say here are a specific group of people who get to be protected and the rest of us don't.

a statement from karen kaiser, general counsel and corporate secretary of the associated press. without objection. it has changed dramatically since congress restored in 1986. mr. burt, how has the government become more and more reline on section 2703 electronic surveillance orders since the passage of the communications act of 1986? >> the government has become increasingly relightning on the secrecy order. and that has become the advancement of technology. at that time the cloud didn't exist. the substantial extent to which citizens, organizations, corporations, and society in general stores their private communications, their corporate records in the cloud. that didn't exist. and so today, what we have is a world where access to that information and the application of a secrecy order enables law enforcement to conduct these investigations and get access to citizens, organizations, corporation records, without notice to the organization, or the individual whose records are being obtained. and that is a dramatic shift in the way law enforcement can and should conduct its opera