karen lee. good to see you. >> good to see you too. >> we're talking about needing blueprints or a plan moving forward. you're always big on plans. >> i don't know if you know, i have an undergraduate degree in architecture -- >> woman of all trades. >> in the 20 years i've been doing financial planning, i've always used the house analogy, i'm happy to share it with your audience. if i were an architect and building a house for you, we'd lay out a plan, and the plan would look at what resources we're working with. your finances, what you own and what you owe, what you earn, what you spend. but ultimately with the house, i'd ask you, tell me what it's going to look like. one story or two, is it brick? same thing, tell me what your dreams are, your goals, five years, ten years. >> long-term. >> you got it. so absolutely start with a plan. and then when we break ground, what's the very first thing i would do? >> got to have that foundation. >> strong foundation. i will tell you, it's the number one