but then there are questions about karen macdougal.the other person with whom trump was apparently involved and the catch and kill that went on at the national enquirer. so you establish some kind of pattern, and maybe there were people at the white house. who knew at some point what was going on after he was elected as the payments continued. so then you sort of try and bring in people that way. so you know you're not. i mean, these are experienced people. this is a former president of the united states. i don't think they can just rely on michael cohen and we should note kellyanne conway and opec's both worked at the white house, and both also worked on the trump campaign. so why would they be called to testify? you know, i'm not, and i'm not asking because we don't know. but exactly and they would be, i would think in a position to know more about those things. to me what struck out about michael cohen's comments tonight was that there's a question of scope and scale here that we can't answer until we know more and if it goes well b

but then there are questions about karen macdougal. the other person with whom trump was apparently involved and the catch and kill that went on at the national enquirer. so you establish some kind of pattern, and maybe there were people at the white house. who knew at some point what was going on after he was elected as the payments continued. so then you sort of try and bring in people that way. so you know you're not. i mean, these are experienced people. this is a former president of the united states. i don't think they can just rely on michael cohen and we should note kellyanne conway and hope x both worked at the white house, and both also worked on the trump campaign. so why would they be called to testify? you know, i'm not, and i'm not asking you because we don't know. but exactly and they would be, i would think in a position to know more about those things to me what struck out about michael cohen's comments tonight? was that there is a question of scope and scale here that we can't answer until we know more and if it goes

karen macdougal story is caught and killed. and remember, cnn obtained secret a secret audiotape at the time of trump and cohen discussing how all of it would play out. you hear them mentioned david as in david pecker of the national enquirer , who also testified this week before the grand jury. and alan that's alan weisberg, who was the cfo of the trump organization is right now still serving a jail sentence. i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i'm all over that, and i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be awesome. financing. painting your song hold. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. a few months after that conversation is one of bombshell dropped in the access hollywood published a tape of former president trump that's candidate trump at the time. the very next day on october, 8th is when daniel's seemed to sense there was opportunity to picture story once again after years of failing to sell it. this time there was interest. october 1

stormy daniels was paid $130,000 karen macdougal was paid $150,000. now it's important to note these actual alleged affairs happened years before 2006 for stormy daniels, 6 4007 for karen macdougal, and nearly a decade later, we all remember that moment in june of 2015 when donald trump came down that elevator and announced his presidential bid now really important meeting happens two months after that. august 2015 donald trump meets with michael cohen, who will be important witness in this case, and david pecker, who also has testified in the grand jury. now, david pecker is in charge of am i, the company that publishes the national enquirer, and they talk about how they need to catch and kill these damaging stories, pay for these stories and then not run them. and then a couple months after that, karen macdougal story is paid for. by am i buy the enquirer by pecker . it is caught and killed. they pay for it. they do not run it. then we all remember that moment about a month before the election when the access hollywood tape came out, donald trump ca

karen macdougal catch and kill. so it's in fact , there is a delay. this could be the reason. do you expect that paula that the grand jury there may need to hear from additional witnesses? as part of this latest line of questioning ? it's certainly possible wolf and one thing about grand juries. it's a very secretive process near the grand jury was meeting today they weren't expected to hear additional evidence in the trump case, but it's also possible that they're done hearing evidence, and prosecutors could potentially want to move forward with a vote on an indictment either today. or when they're expected to be monday or wednesday, but after wednesday they have a previously scheduled break. now some outlets have really leaned in and said look, nothing is going to happen this month. but we've been a little more cautious than our reporting, saying, look, we expect them to meet today, monday and wednesday, and it's unclear whether they'll do anything related to the trump case. all right. paula reid, jennifer! roger shin woo, guys. thank you very much. don't go too far away and

so anderson spoke with karen macdougal back in 2018, the playboy model.who said she had an affair with trump and was paid for her silence. i'm gonna play part of that interview where she explains her experience with this catch and kill process. what's your understanding of catching killers? catch us from what i'm learning. a catch and kill is somebody for legacy for yourself, for example, taking a story about somebody you like or care about every friendship about and they squash a story so it doesn't hurt you. so them did you know that? that's what was going on. that's the allegation of what was going on here. did you? did you realize that at the time i knew the story wasn't going to be printed yeah. why do you think they squashed the story? back then or now. um. they they didn't want to hurt him. you think it's because of personal relationship? with the guy who runs am i his friends with donald trump. correct. to that point, rohan and why was david pecker? protecting trump like this. what did he what did the enquirer get out of it all? well there's now a

as part of that agreement, am i admitted to paying karen macdougal $150,000 to prevent her claims ofan affair from being made public. and anderson in that interview with you, you probably recall karen macdougal went into quite a bit of detail about was what was offered as part of that catch and kill scheme, not only the $150,000 to silence her, but she also said that she had been promised that she would be on magazine covers that she would be able to write columns for their health and fitness magazines, which was certainly a passion for hers. passion of hers, i should say and none of that ever really panned out for her, but they were successful, of course, in sinking her story before election day, anderson and that's who testified on monday. david pecker. randi kaye, thanks so much coming up, you'll notice some names, including sean hannity and tucker carlson. that dominion voting system wants testimony from its $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against fox news. who else they wanted to stand next? asking the right question can greatly impact your future. are you qualified to do this?

district attorney's office was also asking questions during the grand jury proceedings about karen macdougal. she was paid $150,000 by the company that publishes the national enquirer to stay silent about another alleged affair with trump. trump has denied any affair with mcdougal. trump's longtime friend and then chairman of the national enquirer's parent company, david pecker, is believed to have orchestrated the payment and was one of the last witnesses to testify before the grand jury monday. but even trump's potential republican presidential rivals criticizing the indictment governor ron desantis tweeting, it's american and trump's former vice president mike pence, telling cnn. i think the unprecedented indictment. former president of the united states on a campaign finance issue. is an outrage, the district attorney and trump's legal team are now in the process of negotiating his self surrender, told by one of his attorneys that he will likely appear on tuesday and go through the normal process, and that includes everything from being photographed, fingerprinted and appearing before a

who will give corroboration i imagine for why these payments were made to stormy daniels and to karen macdougal because david pecker was part of conversations about them being part of campaign expenditures to help donald trump in his campaign, so david pecker is going to be critical people from the trump campaign like kellyanne conway and hope hicks will also be critical if they were involved in communications about those payments and can testify that they were to further donald trump's campaign interests. but i also want to know who from the trump organization has testimony and documents that will reflect how those payments were reflected in the business records of the trump organization, and for what purposes those records were used. john so a lot of things happening today. there will be a meeting today with the new york state court officers, the nypd that secret service to go through the mechanics of tuesday . there will also be a walkthrough where they actually go through the root of how they're going to bring the former president into the building. up to where he will be booked, and then t

c on tuesday, pal, but we've also learned today that the d a was looking into the payment to karen macdougal so she is the playboy model who also alleges that she had an affair with donald trump. so did you provide documents and testimony about can't tell you what i provided. but i can tell you that that is an accurate statement both. yes how about your conversations with between yourself and david pecker? like i said, i really don't want to go into the some substance of any of the conversations, the documents and so on other than to say again, the these prosecutors they've been working on this case a long time. not only did they work themselves incredibly hard, but there was a significant amount of information that was left over from the previous investigation. they're very, very knowledgeable about all of the alleged. ah counts against donald trump. there is an audio tape of you speaking with donald trump about these payments, so let's remind everybody about that conversation. i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. so i'm all over that.

say the stormy daniels payments hush money payments that are at the center of this but also for karen macdougal. um and also potential. let's say conspiracy charges as well. so i think we have a lot of, um of leeway here that's given to prosecutors in terms of how they charged the case, which is why so many of us are are holding our breath and waiting to see what the indictment looks like one thing, i'll just caution. our viewers, though, is the number of counts while can be difficult for the defense because they have to get a jury to check not guilty 30 times, as opposed to five doesn't necessarily mean that a case is stronger or weaker. an error. i'm curious to get your perspective on the pressure that is now facing a alvin bragg. it's not just on the details and the work that he's done to focus this case. it's also at the level of congress, where top house republicans want him to come and testify about the case that he's built. it's a very interesting boris that the district attorney chose to fight back by issuing today's letter long overdue. by the way, there's been a lot of attempts really

witnesses were asked questions before the grand jury relating to another hush money deal that was to karen macdougal. she's a former playboy model who alleged that she had an affair with trump decades earlier. that was one of these catching kill deals that was executed by the national inquiry. and as we know, on monday, david pecker, the former glacier was back in before the grand jury. there were also told, according to sources that there was another witness that appeared briefly yesterday before the grand jury took up that vote. it's unclear who that witness is, but certainly prosecutors were providing more information until they felt that they were comfortable that they would get this grand jury to vote. yes on the indictment. jim jessica and we should note we will not find out the contents of that indictment until later next week . carol scandal thanks so much right now the former president is at mar-a-lago his home in west palm beach, florida cnn correspondent leila santiago is there, leila? i wonder as you're standing outside his property there. what is the situation like this morning? well yo

they also have a tape with michael cohen talking to donald trump about the payment to mcdougall, karen macdougal. there are lots of documents once you've got two witnesses who are saying the same thing. you gotta tape you got documents. um it's a pretty good case. if you had three. it's a spoken to more than course. there maybe three k there maybe three witnesses or four witnesses. i mean, other parts of the case can also be corroborated parts that are aren't quite as criminal or kind of isn't parts of it may be corroborated. so this may be a pretty strong case at the end of the day. what are you looking for? john i'm looking at two things. one. the corroboration is key. but as you heard michael cohen tell you tonight, he's been there 22 times. and how does he know there's corroboration? he says. well i know, but what he's saying is they have. as i have testified. they have handed me documents and said, do you recognize this email? have you seen this text message? are you aware of this submission and that is given him a window into not just the testimony and documents that he has provided but th

but there was also that payment the same year 2016 to silence karen macdougal.she was a former playboy model who alleged that she had an affair with trump. sources tell us that witnesses have heard or the grand jury has heard from witnesses and answering questions about that 2016 deal involving mcdougall in that deal . it was $150,000 payment that am i, the publisher of the national enquirer spent to silence mcdougall before her story could go public before the election. as you recall the former publisher of the national enquirer, david pecker testified before the grand jury again on monday. he is a key witness in this investigation because he has knowledge of both of those alleged hush money payment deals , and he has had communications with the former president. he's a long time. friend of donald trump's, and over the over decades, he has been involved in these so called catch and kill deals. so this is another detail that we're learning as this grand juries continuing to investigate former president donald trump's role in hush money payments, pam all right, k

communication with donald trump directly about the hush money payment in its first stage with karen macdougal before it became a story. mcdonald's just things like that could be happening just to finish it off by closing and closing the case. in that sense, i mean, it is amazing this moment that we're in. but van, you know, obviously the politics of this even as a democrat. i know you've been extremely cautious on and now this this is messy, messy, okay, and this whole thing happening tomorrow. i mean, this is this isn't just a clean as karen. said. clean bare bones go about it. you've been cautious. this isn't kind of what you wanted to go first. well, no. first of all, i mean, it seems like you know when you're coming down to michael cohen, the fate of the whole thing comes down to michael cohen, who, you know, flip flops in his flip flops and lies about his lies. it's just it's just scary, and there's so many better things to go after trump on. what about the election interference in georgia ? why can't that go first? what about the instruction? what about the coup? what about 15 other thi

karen macdougal, trump's longtime friend and then chairman of the national enquirer's parent company, david pecker, is believed to have orchestrated that $150,000 payment. pecker testified before the grand jury monday. trump also denies any affair with mcdougal. trump's lawyers are now vowing to fight, saying they will move to get all charges dismissed before any trial. there's no crime. i don't know if it's going to make the trial because we have substantial legal challenges that we have to front before we get to that point. and cnn has been digging into exactly who this last mystery witness was on thursday before the grand jury voted to indict trump a lot more that could become clear as this case progresses and will also see just how strong this case might be after the indictment is unsealed likely tuesday at the arraignment, and in the meantime , we'll former attorney general bill barr is the latest now speaking out joining that chorus of republicans saying that this is a political hit job and a weak case. but notably wolf. no one has seen the exact charges. or evidence in this cas

they also have a tape with michael cohen talking to donald trump about the payment to mcdougall, karen macdougal. there are lots of documents once you've got two witnesses who are saying the same thing. you gotta tape you got documents. um, it's a pretty good case. if you had three. it's a spoken to more than course. there maybe three k there. maybe three witnesses or four witnesses. i mean, other parts of the case can also be corroborated parts that are aren't quite as criminal or kind of in parts of it may be corroborated. so this may be a pretty strong case at the end of the day. what are you looking for? john i'm looking at two things. one the corroboration is key. but as you heard michael cohen tell you tonight, he's been there 22 times. and how does he know there's corroboration? he says. well i know, but what he's saying is they have. as i have testified. they have handed me documents and said, do you recognize this email? have you seen this text message? are you aware of this submission and that is given him a window into not just the testimony and documents that he has provided but that

the stormy daniels and karen macdougal instances were close in time to the actual presidential election. remember it happened in 2016, and there were threats that they would go public and payments were made. the instances of royal hunter predated even primary season. so um, i want to go to evan perez right now, who has some breaking news on this historic night, evan? that's right, jake. we now know that there is now a court date and confirmed court date on tuesday in manhattan there at the district court in manhattan , the lauren delva is told by a source that the he is now the former president is scheduled to appear before judge juan martin in at the courthouse there in downtown manhattan again on tuesday. i'm told, by the way by a source also that the secret service is making plans also for him to be brought to court on tuesday. again those security plans jake have been in the works. they've been working with the nypd about how this will go down and how best to secure the former president as he goes to court. this is expected to be a very short thing, probably 10 minutes 15 minutes. i

scheme to bury a story about another alleged trump affair with former playboy playmate of the year karen macdougal. trump's longtime friend and then chairman of the national enquirer's parent company, david pecker, is believed to have orchestrated that $150,000 payment, pecker testified before the grand jury monday. trump also denies any affair with mcdougall. trump's lawyers are now vowing to fight, saying they will move to get all charges dismissed before any trial. there's no crime. i don't know if it's going to make the trial because we have substantial legal challenges that we have to front before we get to that point. and cnn has been digging into who this mysterious last witness was on thursday before the grand jury actually voted to indict trump that could all become a lot more clear as this case progresses. and of course, we'll also see how strong this case might be after this indictment is unsealed likely tuesday at the arraignment, and in the meantime, former attorney general bill barr is the latest now speaking out, joining that chorus of republicans. to say that this is all a politica

we've also been hearing reporting that there was evidence presented to the grand jury about the karen macdougal payments as well and that was elected, appeared in playboy and also had received a payment exactly $150,000, which i which is also makes sense why this is such a sweeping indictment and one thing that lanny davis said about how you're going to hear it. see the facts once you read the indictment. and that's very interesting to me because indictments are usually very bare bones and really all you see is the charge unless there's a conspiracy charge, and if there's a conspiracy charge, that's where you have what you call a talking indictment and you'll hear a lot of facts about the case and you'll tell the story of the indictment. and so i suspect we are going to be told a story and we are going to hear the evidence and one last thing donald trump's statement where he talks about how this is election interference. also tells me that the theory of the falsifying business records is the election interference because for him the best often the best defense is an offense, so he's trying to s

karen mcdougal, who, like daniels, claimed to have an affair with trump. michael cohen, trump's one time fixer and former lawyer claims he made the payments to daniels and macdougal at trump's direction. by the way for donald, since we're talking about convicted felons see on tuesday, pal. cohen served jail time in a federal case for arranging the payments, pleading guilty to campaign violations and tax evasion. as for the case against trump, michael cohen's lawyer claims there's more to it than many people expect. there will be a lot of people surprised at the level of evidence that the detail of evidence based on my experience in watching this group of prosecutors developed this case that this is about facts. documents text messages, other witnesses, not just mr cohen. it's a very strong factual case . trump denies having an affair with both women. stormy daniels reacted to the indictment tweeting. i have so many messages coming in that i can't respond and don't want to spill my champagne. meanwhile donald trump jr coming to his father's defense, calling the charges communist level, this is stuff that would make mows. stalin. pol pot. it would make them blush.