there's also karen mcdougal, another claim i pled guilty to that i had limited to no involvement. they gave david pecker limited immunity. so you can understand and you'll understand more as you have read revenge where i go into in greater detail in how dishonest the system was under donald trump and the danger that trumpism and trump brings to this country. >> harry, i want to respect michael's and the d.a.'s prerogatives here. if we could talk around some of this, but try to answer some of these questions for me, trump sleeps with stormy daniels, sees him as either the finals to be the republican nominee, again i wish that still shocked me, or he becomes the nominee, she goes to the enquirer, tell me the points along the way where a prosecutor will be presenting evidence of crimes to the grand jury? >> that's great question, because we have see this through two prisms. the political at the time, this lurd scandal of, you know, a porn star, peace with the access hollywood stuff, that's why pecker was ready to catch and kill. through the prism of the criminal law, after all is sai