if we're talking about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, talking the about the days before the 2016 election how much will the prosecutors make of that moment in time? earlier i was talking about the "access hollywood" tape, the way he was talking about the former miss universe pageant. are they likely to bring the courtroom -- bring the jurors back to what it was like the days before the election to try to set the stakes for why donald trump would want to be paying a woman off not to say anything about an affair she says she had? >> absolutely, and i think that one of the critical things that we just learned is it's a conspiracy count now, the conspiracy count is important because it doesn't just give the district attorney a legal platform to make -- to bring in the catch and kill narrative, but it heal will likely be what's called a speaking inindictment. as andrew and neal know, indictments come in two flavors. the traditional is a highly legalistic document that tracks what is stated in the law with a very small smattering, if you would, of facts. a speaking indictment, which is

>> i didn't hear the name karen mcdougal. we heard stormy daniels' name. >> martha: that's significant. one of the things we were looking to intensify this presentation of this indictment was that we heard david pecker involved in two hearings. he came back at the end and thought maybe that karen mcdougal's part of this story would put more substance behind, this sounds like that's not the case. so the judge says he wants to move fairly quickly. the next hearing isn't until december 4? did i hear that right? >> yeah, no, you heard that right. he wants to move quickly. the next hearing isn't until december 4. >> there will be motions. september -- in august, there are the motions that the defense can file. and then the prosecution has to respond by september 19. and then the next hearing would be december 4. it is quit a ways off. yes. >> did the defense show their cards on the types of motions they're going to file? was a change of venue, a motion to dismiss the case? >> change of venue was not mentioned. when the prosecution

to michael cohen, but stormy or i should say karen mcdougal was different. there wasn't actual catch an kill scheme. which the national enquirer, 450, 000, but the rights to he story. her story was not publishe before the 2016 election here. but what is unique about her story, again, the fact that th allegation is that donald trum and michael cohen had ha conversations with david pecker, the publisher of the nationa enquirer about buying storie like karen mcdougal's. which they did and david pecker and the national enquirer, the acknowledged to federa prosecutors previously, th question is, did they go to th quiet state prosecutors, the matt da and the grand jury thi time around? and say what they told federal prosecutors previously and that that, in order to buy karen mcdougal's story was don for the principal purpose of influencing the 2016 election. if in fact the grand jury is bringing charges related t election violation, that i where, was it to influence the presidential election? that is where karen mcdougal's story specifically reall becomes importan

and the statement of facts talks about the playboy model, karen mcdougal, and stormy daniels. so it appears that this indictment is solely about the hush-money payment to miss daniels, the catch and kill regarding miss mcdougal. the statement of facts, quite frankly, i haven't seen this, it's usually, if you are charging conspiracy, you list out all the overt acts. that's sort of how you get all the information in there. well, floss conspiracy count. so i agree with danny. there is going to be very substantive motions, and danny said that if they can reduce these felonies to a misdemeanor, remember, even on the misdemeanor charge, you still have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that mr. trump put this false entry in his business records with the intent to defraud. so even that is not so clear. that's the argument they are going to make. i am a little -- i was actually saying, oh, you know, now there is going to be conspiracy and talk about tax crimes. so it's -- i am not going to say it's shocking, but i'm surprised the 34 counts are falsifying business records and involve mi

[indiscernible] >> it also mentions another woman karen mcdougal. >> i am glad you put your finger on that it is not just about one payment, it is 34 his records, 34 false statements and business records concealing criminal conduct. the earlier question about new york state election law. talking about conspiracy to promote a candidacy by unlawful means, those unlawful means we allege include the conduct set forth in the statement of facts. which is additional false statements separate from the documents. plan false statements to taxing authorities. it is not that one wire payment. thank you very much. [indiscernible]

the other one was to karen mcdougal were wondering she's going to be in there. we knew that she'd been called in. >> so that that catch and kill arrangement. and then the final one, of course, the internist, a star payoff to stormy daniels. so those 3 together bring bring together the 34 different counts so we'll just again. meantime, it will. well lay them all out and i detail as to act on each particular count. i would not be surprising conspiracy. is part of each one of those and add a double each of these particular acts and this will interesting reading going forward. yeah, definitely. i will give you a second to look through some of that. we do have doctor nolan higdon. >> a professor of history and media studies at cal state east bay doctor had done. you know, now we have i think the last time we talked, we we didn't really know some of the details are wording. in regards to this indictments and the arraignment that that went on anything that striking as interesting that year-old be speaking with your students about today? >> well, i that >> the denial of

the second instance it was 150,000 dollar payment to this woman, whose name is karen mcdougal in both of those instances prosecutor alvin bragg sai today that the book keepin around those payments, the payment of the door man, the payment to karen mcdougal, resulted in false business statements being made on the books of the parent compan that owns the national enquirer now, that ends up bein important to all of ou understanding here into th eventual fate of donald trum because that factor ends u being important to the crimes, the alleged crimes, bein charged against trump as felonies the contention from prosecutor today, which we did not know was coming in this exact way the contention from prosecutor today is that this overall scheme was a violation of ne york election law, because new york election law makes it a crime to conspire to promote a candidacy by unlawful means. and what prosecutors said toda is that part of the unlawful means alleged here is that thi company paid off all these people with weird sex storie about donald trump and the recorded it in their busines records li

the conversations having wit these folks, versus those that are speculating the extent t which karen mcdougal and storm daniels and whether this is an election law violation or th potential that this could be also stemming from the financial fraud allegations of the inflation of the evaluatio of his assets. there is a law that we still d not know when that we ar waiting to get a bette understanding on i asked for donald trump he is 36 hours, katie, to really try to arrange this and make the plans for his new york cit travel, to make it look like a much as he desires he has been on truth socia over the last several days, an not only knocking the prosecutor alvin bragg, bu also the judge for donald trum this is much about the actua potential trial as much as i is about his own political effort because this trial kati going to start in just a coupl months from now but there is a decent shot this could go well into next year meaning that that would ru completely parallel to the major presidential primaries that he will be a contender in >> our thanks to you vaugh hillyard for being live at mar-a-

[indiscernible] >> it also mentions another woman karen mcdougal. >> i am glad you put your finger on that it is not just about one payment, it is 34 his records, 34 false statements and business records concealing criminal conduct. the earlier question about new york state election law. talking about conspiracy to promote a candidacy by unlawful means, those unlawful means we allege include the conduct set forth in the statement of facts. which is additional false statements separate from the documents. plan false statements to taxing authorities. it is not that one wire payment. thank you very much. [indiscernible] >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government. funded by these television companies and more including charter communications. >> charter is one of the best in the providers, we're are just getting started, nothing 100 -- 1000 miles of new infrastructur that those in need it most. announcer: charter communications supports c-span as a public service, along with these other television providers, giving you a front row seat to democracy. ♪ >> former president donald trump

mcdougal. long before she met donald trump. karen macdougal grew up in a small town in michigan. e new yorker says she worked as a preschool teacher before starting her modeling career. mcdougall said she won a local modeling contest , which landed her in california contracts to relocate in l a and do a lot of modeling their first appeared in playboy as miss december 1997. then was named playboy playmate of the year in 1998 macdougal told anderson she and trump were in love donald trump ever say to you that he loved you. all the time. mcdougall says trump once took her to his apartment at trump tower past a room. and he said, this is melania's room. how did you feel being in his apartment guilty very guilty after meeting trump mcdougall was photographed alongside melania and ivanka trump at a party for the apprentice. she told anderson. she ended her relationship with trump in april, 2007. years later in 2016 mcdougall was at the center of a catch and kill scheme after trying to sell her story about the alleged affair to the national enquirer, mcdougall, says am e, which published

the fact that they are able to gain the evidence of the payments are karen mcdougall and the witnessesalready know, like my look michael cohen, the nostrums former that that was the nostrums former that that was the scheme. these were catch and kill payments during an election six season. the fact that jurors can hear from them and hear these points made means prosecutors have a much stronger case at their disposal and a much stronger ability to establish a much stronger ability to establish a pattern of conduct and intent. ronan, in terms of ami, the national enquirer, david packer, the question is why would they do it? why would they go through the idea of this publication looking for damage and scurries and trying to kill them? it's a complicated question to answer even for some of the sources deep inside amy who were involved in brokering these transactions. one piece of context to know is that this practice of catching and killing stories and using them as a bartering chip, either collaborating with the public eager to conceal something or holding something over that public figure

essentially that in the course of making payments to stormy daniels and others, another woman, karen mcdougalt the former president caused false statements to be made in the books and records of the trump organization and did so in furtherance of these other crimes. host: how strong of a case is is -- at this point -- is it at this point? can you tell us? how easy or hard will it be to prove those charges? guest: not an easy question to answer. we do not have all the evidence yet. we have an indictment, which is an accusation regarding particular crimes. we do not have all the discovery from the prosecution. we do not know what all their cards are. but i should say that i would expect that the district attorney's office would not -- not hold all of their cards close to their chest. they did relays something called a state does release something called a statement of fact in conjunction with the indictment. secondly, the indictment and statement of facts from the district attorney's office are not entirely clear regarding the legal theories and the other statutes they rely on, which is unfortu

and then the tabloid made another $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal she's a playboy playmate mate.ougal wanted to sell her story of an affair with trump during the 2016 campaign. now the final payment, which is the focus of the indictment involved $130,000 deal between trump's fixer, michael cohen and the star, stormy daniels in the final days of the campaign, manhattan district attorney alvin bragg is spearheading the case. he says the case seeks to. >> ensure that everyone stands equal before the law. >> these are felony crimes in new york state. we cannot and will not normalized serious criminal conduct. >> meanwhile, trump lawyer joe tacopina talking to reporters after the arraignment today saying trump's name plays big role in how much attention the case is getting. >> today's unsealing of this indictment shows that the rule of died in this country because everyone everyone is not above the law, no one's below it either. and if this man's name was not donald j trump, there is no scenario we'd all be here today. please based on these charges. >> trump is ordered to return to co

it was that tabloid company that was also orchestrating to silence a former playboy playmate karen mcdougalinvolved in the cases, that includes a man who negotiated hush money payments for both women, mcdougal's attorney who helped her get out of that tabloid ami arrangement. >> i'm not sure if i was aware it was their intent at the time to bury the story, but they clearly announced their editorial preferential candidate. >> do you think it's nefarious >> of course. >> was "national enquirer" acting as the arm of donald trump and michael cohen, and if so, is there something wrong with that? >> we strongly suspect they were. >> there we are. that was five years back, and you can see the questions and answers are in part consistent with the theory of the case, that there was a secret sort of campaign help here it was around that time that trump was arraigned yesterday that a separate california court awarded trump attorneys fees in a suit ms. daniels filed then there's fox news. take a look at the reaction. >> political slogan -- vote for me, i collected the $121,000 from a porn star i had an

to a doorman, which we had not heard before, also suppress ago second woman's account, that is karen mcdougal. i'm going to bring joyce vance to tack about this remember, these payments happened at the end of the campaign, when the "access hollywood" tape was out, when he was going after -- it came out he had called a contestant chubby, when he had issues with women and the campaign was worried that women would not support him. that's the time that these payments were made what do you make of what the lawyers tried to argue there >> well, the court of public pin won't do them a lot of good. ultimately it's a manhattan jury that will decision on these allegations. what we're seeing is a bit confusing, because there's two documents that have come out of the manhattan d.a.'s office. one is the indictment, containing 34 charges of falsified being records. and it explains what you're alosing to, this notion it was about the election, that it was about the campaign, that donald trump was faltering, and as the statement of facts explains, he embarked upon a scheme it's conspiracy language, although

conspiracy, fo example, among trump, cohen, and the folks at the nationa enquirer, to have paid karen mcdougaluirer' own funds in this fals business records on their end. i do think they have a numbe of possibilities, in the stage in the litigation, they're not legally required to specif which of those theories they'r relying on they may not ever be require to specify which those theories they may be able to go to th jury and say, we think trump was trying to commit one o these three things or conceal one of these thre things, by falsifying business records. that might legally be enough t get them over the line,. lindsey >> let's take a step back your mind of when the players here stormy daniels, michael cohen, karen mcdougal, david pecker the door man who can you see testifying i this does go to trial. >> well certainly michae cohen. just speaking up on what - the potential tax violations here you know, that has been thrown out there. bragg baited very brie reference to it. if the tax violation is that there was a conspiracy to le cohen defraud taxpayers by not being income on us, and i thin

the karen mcdougal crime tha michael pled guilty to, he wen to jewel in part for, we don't know whether this will be crime separately charged in th indictment >> all right lanny davis ladies and gentlemen, with a forceful and fiery defense o his client we will wait to see what these charges are on tuesday i am joined now by congressman benny thompson he is a democrat fro mississippi. congressman thompson, was th chair of the january 6th selec committee, and he is currently the ranking member of th homeland security committee. chairman thompson, look, a overwhelming number of republican elected officials i this country, they really seem to be arguing that the simpl act of declaring once candidac for president actually exclude that person from being hel accountable by the crimina justice system what is your response to that? >> - no one is above the law. not even someone running for president of the united states the real danger is, i am hearing the same kind of rhetoric that created januar 6th right now, with th impending indictment of donald trump. i'm hearing lindsey graham say we shou

the second part, suppressing woman one, presumably playboy play mate karen mcdougal quote, the defendant, the ami ceo, and lawyer a, had a series of discussions about who should pay off woman one to secure her silence. ami ultimately paid $150,000 to a woman one in exchange for her agreement not to speak out about the alleged sexual relationship. prosecutors say, quote, the defendant did not want this information to become public because he was concerned about the effect it could have on his candidacy. in other words, it was clearly intended to influence the 2016 election then there's a third part, the hush money payment to buy stormy daniels' silence after the release of the "access hollywood" tape in october 2016. quote, with pressure mounting and the election approaching, the defendant agreed to the payoff and directed cohen to proceed. cohen discussed the deal with the defendant and trump organization cfo allen weisselberg. the defendant trump did not want to make the $130,000 payment himself. and asked cohen and weisselberg to find a way to make the payment. the final part of the sc

. >> or karen mcdougal >> would you like to respond >> or karen mcdougal i did not have an affair witge tour. as i have stated over and over again, the problem is thos people who are the acolytes of donald trump, no matter what i say, they don't want to listen to it. this is not about revenge. this is about accountability for the first time in donald's life, he is now confronted wit accountability they basically - da bragg dropped accountabilit right on his lap he now has to contend with that, you know i've also been very clear when i stated and that -- people ask me over time, you must feel great about what i going on, what's happening that's not true. i do not and despite the fact that, again, it's abou accountability, i am not happy simply because it makes th united states, what's going on the first president ever in th history of the united states t be, you know, indicted this is not a good look fo america. >> i guess i would disagre with you there, michael cohen. i guess i would say i think president being held accountable, going through the system like anyone else, i think is go

howard at the national enquirer, and then the lawyer wh represented both stormy daniels, and karen mcdougal and terms of the actua negotiations of the hush money payments, whether paid by th enquirer to karen mcdougal, or that paid by michael - to stormy daniels, neither o the women who were directl involved in communications wit the trump side, all of tha happened through their lawyers to the extent that the distric attorney will need som additional cooperation, perhap further down the line. i think it was prudent for the to understand what storm daniels might say, particularl since the trump folks have continually wrapped on thi trumpy of extortion, extortion extortion by, stormy daniels but, i don't think she is necessary witness to the cas that we understand they're about to make. of course, that caveat, is t understand the indictment remains under seal none of us have seen the charges. it is become a common parlor game across, town across the country among lawyers, to tr to get those charges, and none of us really know right now. >> former manhattan da, cy vance, had a riveting and giv

. >> [indiscernible] >> it also mentions another woman, karen mcdougal. are these the charges you brought or the case overall? >> i am glad you put your finger on that. it is not just about one payment. it is 34 business records. 34 false statements in business records concealing criminal conduct. the earlier question about new york state election law. the conspiracy to promote it candidacy by unlawful means. those unlawful means we allege include the conduct set forth in the statement of facts. additional false statements, separate from the charge ones in the ami documents. false statements to taxing authorities. it is not that 1 $130,000 dollars payment. thank you very much. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] c-span is your interview of government. we are funded by these television companies and more. >> the greatest town on earth is the place you call home. it is our home too. right now we are fa

indictment read, i thought, well, this might be just a press piece to expose the stormy daniels, karen mcdougal and the doorman scandal. but it is actually very elegant charging document. for the first time, it simply criminalizes a politician hiding his dirty laundry in order to win an election. that's what the new york state law is. it says, you can't promote a candidate by fraudulent documents. by using fraudulent business records to hide your dirty laundry. it is really all it says. what his attorney says, there are no fax, i understand what he is saying in that there aren't specific facts and quoting of witnesses. those could be in an indictment. the other point to make though, is, how in the world can i justify what happened by any other explanation? this was a way to defraud voters. that was the intent. it is really, really obvious. so i think it is a much more dangerous charging document than his attorneys want to give him credit for right now. >> so i was trying to observe his body language and how he was addressing the crowd, and i really didn't see any telltale signs. i just saw dona

what i can tell you is tha michael was forced to plead to a second crime involving karen mcdougal even though he did not pay any money in that situation, tha money exchange occurred betwee the national enquirer and kare mcdougal to keep her quiet before the election. mr. trump was involved in th understanding that he would be paid the national enquirer 150,000. michael did get accused of papering that transaction, but he pled guilty to that transaction. so that is the best answer i could say. the transaction involving kare mcdougal is the second crime there are witnesses to their crime that are not just michae cohen. and corroborating, detaile documentation, to him as well. >> as i mentioned, in others have described michael cohen i the star witness of this case, you certainly know the ins and outs better than anyone. how would you respond to som of the criticism that this is potentially weak indictment, that involves a quote, unquote untested legal theory that might be politically motivated >> first of all, let me deal with the weakness facts. that is completely speculate by people wh

the three people include stormy daniels and former "playboy" playmate karen mcdougal and a trump tower doorman who was trying to sell information about a child he claimed trump fathered or -- claimed trump fathered out of wedlock. trump pleaded not guilty to the charges inside that lower manhattan courtroom. becoming the first former president to face criminal prosecution. he has denied all wrongdoing. saying district attorney alvin bragg was motivated by politics in bringing this case. >> these are felony crimes in new york state. no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. >> so far, the former president has not been barred from publicly discussing the case. although he was warned by the judge not to make statements that could incite violence. late last night, the 45th president went after the judge and his family during a speech. >> fake case was brought only to interfere with the upcoming 2024 election. i have a trump hating judge. with a trump hating wife and family. >> trump's legal team says it plans to file a motion to dismiss the charges.

another payment, $150,000, to former playboy playmate karen mcdougal, who alleged she had a sexual relationshipile he was married and was prepared to make the story public, an allegation trump denied. and another payment, $30,000, to a trump tower doorman, who had tried to sell information about a child he claimed trump had fathered out of wed look. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg spoke after the arraignment. >> under new york state law, it is a felony to falsify business records with intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime. these are felony crimes in new york state no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. >> reporter: the former president addressed supporters tonight at his family estate in florida. >> alvin bragg of new york -- [ crowd booing ] -- who campaigned on the fact that he would get president trump. i'm going to get him. i'm going to get him. as it turns out, virtually everybody that has looked at this case, including rinos, and even hardcore democrats say there is no crime and that it should never have been brought. >> r

and i think the other thing is just this outstanding issue with karen mcdougal, the other woman who donaldly had an affair with and will they bring her in and what happened there to establish some sort of pattern. >> ken dilanian and suzanne craig, thank you for being with us this morning. >>> next, a trump legal team makeover it is getting bigger, that team. and a new attorney was just hired who help represent him in the case and some of his notorious past clients dove invited women who wanted their damaged hair trimmed. yes, i need a trim. i just want to be able to cut the damage. we tried dove instead. so, still need that trim? oh my gosh! i am actually shocked i don't need a haircut. don't trim daily damage. stop it with dove. i think i'm ready for this. i am actually shocked i don't need a haircut. heck ya! with e*trade you're ready for anything. marriage. kids. college. kids moving back in after college. ♪ here's to getting financially ready for anything! and here's to being single and ready to mingle. who's ready to cha-cha?! some people have minor joint pain plus stomach problems.

in this will she, there was a separate payment to another woman karen mcdougal and will that be brought int sort of show a pattern and how are they going to do that and i think we may, we are going to learn tuesday that is when we get to see it, if that is also going to com into play. but, a lot of it is just, we don't know sorry that is my dog there sorry, we just don't know unti it is done so those are kind of the thing that i'm looking for >> we have got to guess for one, when we're talking to yo season danny, reflect on kare mcdougal what suzanne is bringing up, as well a reporting beyond the new yor times about how brags shifte gears. he was looking at the case there were so many critics about why was he saying, or wh was the perception that he was taking a step back from th case but he was really puttin together a new funnel, and a real and everything from groun zero talk about we do and what that might mean in terms of what we just learned >> according to mark comrade who was a volunteer with the district attorney's team tha was looking at this case, he looked and then he unlocke

payments by american media inc, the former publisher of "national enquirer" to playboy model karen mcdougal who says that she had an affair with trump. why did dirict attorney bragg not include any of the additional details in the indictment? - so that's a really interesting thing that's a peculiarity of new york law. in the federal system, all of this would've been in one document, very, very lengthy document that tells a really lengthy story and at the end of it, there are the charges. well, here it's basically split in two. you have sort of the story of what happened and then you have a charging instrument, which is the indictment. so, that's why you sort of have these two separate pieces but they obviously are gonna be read together. - indictments aren't static. is there a chance there could be more charges in the future? - yes. so, you know, pure speculation, but maybe educated speculation. i was interested in sort of two things that happened at the arraignment yesterday, which have to do with scheduling. so, neither side was particularly interested in a speedy resolution. the next cou

as what cases, whether it's stormy daniels or expands to the other case we were talking about, karen mcdougall and the "national enquirer," we don't have that detail yet. maybe we could talk to jonathan turley and andy about the falsifying business records. does not appear there are any other avenue the district attorney has gone down here. >> gillian: andy, what do you make of that, what bret just laid out, what can we read into the fact that there are 34 counts of falsifying these records in the first-degree? >> well, obviously if it's in the first-degree, then we are in this posture where i presume without having read this that they are saying there is another crime that he's committed that he was trying to conceal which is what makes it a felony. always the fact that he's using the grand jury indicated that he was pursuing felony charges, i presume he could have filed a criminal information without the grand jury, bragg could have by himself had there not been felony charges. difficult to make a judgment without having read it, but i would just say if it's based on what we already knew, i

and then the tabloid made another $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. a playboy playmate. she wanted to sell her story of an affair with trump during the 2016 campaign. the other payment involved is a $130,000 deal between trump's then fixer, michael cohen and the adult film star stormy daniels in the final days of the campaign. and as we continue to learn more about the charges the former president is facing tonight, the white house says >> donald trump's legal issues are not something president. joe biden is focused on. >> right now. so first, i have to say this. this is an case which is not going to comment on the case specifically itself with the president's going to focus on the american people like he does every day. >> all right. joining us now to a shed, a little more light on the trumps charges and how it's going to affect the political world is our political science professor, a friend of the show, david mcewan with sonoma state university. good evening, professor. >> a lot to unpack here. what stood to you? >> yeah, i mean, look that this is this case is like a

another was former playboy playmate karen mcdougal. the third was a trump tower doorman who was trying to sell information about a child but he claimed trump fathered out of wedlock. >> under new york state law it is a felony to falsified business records with intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime. >> reporter: in court, trump led not guilty to all 34 charges. the judge told the former president to refrain from social media posts that could provoke unrest following his previous message critical of prosecutors. his campaign is using today's events to raise money for his 2024 presidential run and his legal defense. the republican national committee will no longer cover trump's legal bills now that he is running for president. sources close to the former president tell cbs, he is gaming out how the arrest can help him politically. his campaign is already offering not guilty t-shirts with a fake mug shot of the former president for a $47 donation. trump was not required to take a mug shot after his arrest. back in florida a

but if you pile on top of that the stormy daniels allegations, the karen mcdougal allegations, or attempts to pay them off, that could have been all the more damaging. this effort to influence elections started before 2016. it continued to 2020 it's continuing today. and it's going to continue into the 2024 lelection we have to be vigilant and talk about those efforts. and hopefully he will be held accountable. not just for this but so many other things that are being investigated right now >> mary, i don't mean to defend or explain away doj's actions, but you are probably the most senior former department official we have been given access to. your framing and pointing us accurately to alvin bragg's framing begs the question, is it not an equal obligation that the united states department of justice, in service to our democracy, follow up on this case, or at least shine a light on why they declined to prosecute it if that was merrick garland's decision when he took over in march of 2021. >> well, you know, merrick garland has said many times that the department of justice speaks through i

former playboy model karen mcdougal, who claimed to have had an affair with a billionaire , is accuseddly falsely testified in business reports. new york. he also forced others to make false claims. why donald trump repeatedly made these false claims based on the evidence. he did this to hide the crime associated with the 2016 elections, adding up the terms provided for by all the charges, the former us president could face up to 136 years in prison, of course, trump, no one will give that much. and yet this is a blow we will fight, we will fight with all our strength, but that's what i i'll tell you, he's motivated and it won't stop him. and this is exactly what he expected podza. shield by this moment it was already far away in unloved new york donald trump does not linger a single extra minute right from the courthouse, his cortege is heading to the lagvardiya airport, where his personal plane trump force one is preparing to take off trump’s force one at home met how the heroes of the pouch supporters lined up along the road. and in the crowded hall of the deer estate, everyone want

illegitimate child of trump, the second story is a payment of 125,000 dollars to a former model playboy karen mcdougalto have had an affair with a billionaire , is already a well-known porn actress stormy dails. this defendant has repeatedly falsely testified in business reports. new york. he also forced others to make false claims. why donald trump repeatedly made these false claims based on the evidence. he did it cover up the 2016 election-related crime while adding up the terms of all counts, the former us president could face up to 136 years in prison, of course, trump, no one will give that much. he probably won't end up behind bars at all. and yet we will fight this blow, we will fight with all our strength, but here's what i'll tell you, he is motivated and this will not stop him. and this is exactly what he expected the defendants at that moment was already far away in unloved new york. donald trump does not stay a single extra minute. directly from the courthouse, his motorcade is heading to the lagvardiya airport, where his personal board trump force one is preparing for departure at home t

and then the tabloid made $150,000 payment to this woman, karen mcdougal. >> a playboy playmate. mcdougal wanted to sell her story of an affair with trump during the 2016 campaign. >> the final payment, which is the main focus of the indictment involved $130,000 deal between trump's former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen and star stormy daniels in the final days of the campaign. the money here. but daniel silence about an affair. daniels says she had with trump about a decade prior. trump for his part denies any wrongdoing related to these payments. joining us now is you see a law professor worry little to explain. today's proceedings worry. thanks for being with us. i know you're formal federal prosecutor, organized crime was a specialty of yours. so this figures to be year wheelhouse. initial reactions after hearing the indictments today. >> well, i think a couple of things are important. first. this doesn't have to do with whether trump made hush money payments or not or that there's anything wrong with that on the morality of that. you can question what it has to do with his

two other people, a doorman who claimed to know about an illegitimate child and playboy model karen mcdougal , who also claimed to have had an affair with trump, the scheme violated new york election law, which makes it a crime to conspire. to promote a candidacy by unlawful means. brags also said the 130,000 payout to stormy daniels exceeded the federal campaign contribution cap is angry because he has brought cases justified. trump returned to his mara lago, home in florida and hours later at a campaign style rally with loyal supporters. there is no case. he denounced the charges as a political witch hunt. this fake case was brought only to interfere with the upcoming 2024 election. and it should be dropped immediately. the next hearing is set for december and trump's attorneys will have four months to file motions. so mike that really pushes it right into that next electoral campaign schedule. jana katsuyama live the night of the newsroom. jenna. thank you. david mcewan, professor of politics at sonoma state university, says although the indictment is historic, more charges could come in

indicted in connection with money paid to adult film actress stormy daniels and former playboy model karen mcdougal. prosecutors say he feared they'd go public during the 2016 presidential election about his extramarital affairs with them. his attorney has said any suggestion he falsified business records tied to these payments is wrong there his own personal records. first of they warned false they weren't fact legal fees and that's how they were built. trump is also facing two other lawsuits. jean carroll, who has accused former president trump of raping her now has two active lawsuits against trump for defamation, where he's media tos about her that she thinks are defamatory, also filed a second lawsuit last october after trump posted on social media, calling her rape claims a hoax and a con job. trump attempted to get that lawsuit thrown out of court. but that was denied and it could end up going to trial later on this month. lamonica peters ktvu fox two news. new tonight. oakland police are investigating a double shooting right near the fruitvale bart station. this happened on east 12th street

the second story is the payment of 150,000 dollars. former models playboy karen mcdougal, who claimedshe had a connection with a billionaire, the third case of the already well-known porn actress stormidenius, the accused repeatedly gave false testimony in business reports. new york. he also forced others to make false claims. why donald trump repeatedly made these false claims based on the evidence. he did this to cover up a crime related to the 2016 election, with the addition of the terms provided for by all counts, the former us president could face up to 136 years in prison, of course, trump, no one will give that much. and yet, we will fight this blow, we will fight with all our might, but here's what i 'll tell you, he is motivated and this will not stop him. and that's exactly what he expected. by this time, the defendant was already far away in unloved new york. donald trump does not linger even a single extra minute. directly from the courthouse, his motorcade is heading to the lagguardia airport, where his personal plane trump force one is preparing for departure. along the

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it goes through details of the 2016 payment karen mcdougal and don't forget the doorman. went on before and in fact the election. >> so, that's an important distinction to make. the indictment itself with the accompanying statement of facts how does it figure into the case that the d.a. will present to a jury >> that basically, you know the defense attorneys i was reading the transcript had a fit because the lead prosecutor went through all of the facts and they were saying this was not fair, opening statement at the trial, it basically, that's going to be their opening statement at the trial, they're allowed to do that, it was stated in public n open court, it was provided in court, so mr. bragg will not having any more detailed press conference about the facts in this case. professional responsibility prohibits him from doing that. but it's the road map, it goes through every detail the indictment is just charges and the legal elements and dates. it doesn't tell you what the facts are. when that was first released this is about stormy daniels then i get the statement of

the indictment referencing what appeared to be hush money payments to karen mcdougal who alleged an affairh mr. trump and a $30,000 payment to a former trump tower doorman who prosecutors claim to have had a story about a child trump had out of wedlock. both accusations that trump previously denied. falsifying records is normally a misdemeanor, but in an untested legal gamble, bragg is charging mr. trump with the lowest legal felonies. >> the conduct i just described and that was charged by the grand jury is federal criminal conduct in new york state. >> mr. trump himself telling the judge his not guilty plea. >> if this man's name was not donald j. trump there's no scenario. we wouldn't all be here today, please understand, that based on these charges. >> mr. partisan blasted it as a partisan vendetta. a state prosecutor is prosecuting an election law that doesn't exist accord cog election law officials. >> bragg's predecessor declined to pursue charges against mr. trump in this case. >> we have available to the office additional evidence that was not in the office's possession prior to m

another payment, $150,000 to former "playbo" playmate karen mcdougal, who alleged she had a sexual relationship was married and maden to make a story public. and allegations be a denies. another payment, $30,000 to a trump tower doorman who was trying to sell information about a child he claimed trump had fathered out of wedlock. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg spoke after the arraignment. >> under new york state law, it is a felony to falsify business records with intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime. that is exactly what this case is about. 34 full statements made to cover up other crimes. these are felony crimes in new york state, no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. >> reporter: the eighth lawyers said they plan to file a motion to dismiss this case within the next several months. today's unsealing of this indictment shows that the rule of law died in this country because while everyone is not above the law, no one is below it, either come to this man's name was not donald j. trump, there is no scenario we would all be he

prosecutors also presented evidence of a $150,000 payment to a second woman, "playboy" model karen mcdougal there was a real relationship there. there were real feelings between the two of us. >> reporter: mcdougal claims she had an affair with trump in 2006 and was paid off by trump's friends at the "national enquirer" in august of 2016 shortly before the election. the former president has denied both affairs and today, his defense attorney promised a vigorous fight. >> we'll proceed to see a judge at some point, plead not guilty, start talking about filing motions which we will do immediately, and very aggressively. >> reporter: trump has repeatedly attacked district attorney alvin bragg, even posting a picture of himself holding a baseball bat next to a photo of bragg. today, he lashed out at the judge who will preside over his case. security around the courthouse has now stepped up and police are bracing for protests on the day trump arrives. >> david: aaron katersky live outside of the courthouse in lower manhattan tonight. aaron, the former president expected to arrive in new york as

another payment, $150,000 to former "playboy" playmate karen mcdougal, who alleged she had a sexual relationship and was prepared to make the story public, an allegation trump denies. and another payment, $30,000 to a trump tower doorman who was trying to sell information about a child he claimed trump had fathered out of wedlock. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg spoke after the arraignment. >> under new york state law, it is a felony to falsify business records with intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime. that is exactly what this case is about. 34 false statements made to cover up other crimes. these are felony crimes in new york state, no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. >> reporter: the former president addressed supporters tonight at his family estate in florida. florida. >> alvin bragg of new york... [boos] who campaigned on the fact that he would get president trump -- "i'm going to get him, i'm going to get him." as it turns out, virtually everybody that has looked at this case, including rhinos and even hard-core democr