we are in the middle of a wonderful conversation with karen stiller and rabbi julie stacks. we were talking as we ended the last segment about this notion that this is something that animates their religious identity, in this case, jewish identity but am wondering, karen, if you can talk a little bit of that aspect of the work, in general. >> the aspect of judaism, we have so many different and unique organizations. so many leashes people can go into to express their jewish values. this kind of work, working on issues you care about deeply, is something that will bring people in, where perhaps in co for me >> would you say that's true whether you are a of color, a real jiles -- a religious ? any age, any ability, is that across the board from your perspective? >> these issues bring us all together. >> for sure. all of the research shows that people are most proud of commitment to justice of . when we get the opportunity -- on august 20th, in sacramento, we call it our high holy day, sometimes. we are expressing what it means to us to be jewish by acting on the world around u