karen ward, bonds are priced for perfection. what do you do at jp morgan? karen: i think appreciate that historically if you have thought these deals are low and cannot go lower, you have been wrong. so learn from your lessons and remember that the core bonds play an important role. tom: come on, we are in the middle of a world crisis, the prices move, move, move. do you move duration today? what does your team say? karen: yes, you do have to move duration. you have to go longer out, longer curve, but it is not just treasuries. if we look at the returns from other european bonds, you would have said that bunds could go to these negative rates. it shows you that core bonds -- you are right, we have to take longer duration for them to do that role. but core bonds are still doing what we want them to do, go up in price. francine: what does shale do in this? at $30, shale operate -- can shale operate? will: it is going to be a very distressing situation for the shale industry, but it will take time. some things have changed about the shale industry since the las