karen with us this afternoon. >> thank you, ed and days. i've often enjoyed the publications the robert wood foundation has included and the one on health education is fabulous, so i urge all of you to read that. a former colleague of mine is the co-author, so give her a plug for magellan olds in the georgetown center for health insurance reform. so wellness programs, the title of it, and a briefing in today's workplace wellness programs, do they work? i think we will hear a little bit more from mary hahn not and i know we were here somewhere from professor horowitz. and from the worker's death, since the workers involved in people -- employers hoping to have participate in these programs, as a general matter, the labor movement here in the u.s. will support well-designed programs, programs address that the group involved really shouldn't look at one-size-fits-all programs and i think responsible employers will approach it that way. but it seems as we l@ but it seems as we look at things that by focusing solely on the health status of the individual workers, mary, paul, others come you canno