. >> again, karen yu. >> your time is up. [laughter] >> i have little to say except we want the businesses to stay open. our director at the hearing, the first director said, please, apply for a long period continue to provide papers to show us you have a loan to go work on this. come back in acome back in a mo. the day he was supposed to bring us that documentation to show he got a loan, he did not show up. i think this is a repeated pattern. i would encourage mr. marenco to do his best to comply with these laws so he can apply for another permit and open again. we request that you sustain it revocation of the permit. commissioner fung: is there a time limit where one can -- one is prohibited from applying for a permit? >> you mean once a business is closed? commissioner fung: is there any time limit he would face to reopen? >> once it is revoked, it is revoked. right now, his permit is not revoked, because he applied for this appeal, as i understand it. commissioner fung: but you are asking us to sustain the revocation. vic