martin: kari bingen, what are the major threats to all those u.s. intelligence satellites up there? ms. bingen: well, if i could go back a step and just reiterate what some of my colleagues on the panel said, space is absolutely vital to providing intelligence to our war fighters, to our policymakers and our weapons developers. we think about what happened earlier this week, we witnessed another north korea ballistic missile launch. it's a denied area. it's tough to our area,. space provides a unique way for us to provide access that we currently can't get. it's the intelligence imagery satellites that we take pictures of the launchers. missile satellites to detect those launches. it's the analysts on the ground who process and report on that data and the communications satellites that relay that data to the users in the field to take action. when i look at that and i pair it with the threat and the threat over the last 10 years in particular, 2007 when the chinese tested that anti-satellite, that was a watershed moment for us and they have not sat still over the last 10 years. they