kari gerstheimer —— leo, your son has learning disabilities and autism, why was he detained any mental behaviour is too difficult to handle, there was no community placements. and because he had severe self harming, we assumed that the best place for him to go was into a mental institution. i refused to call it a hospital or a treatment unit. my son does not need any treatment. he does not have a mental health issue or problem. therefore, health issue or problem. therefore, he should not be... he does not need to go to those sort of places. how has it been for him, in the end, he was there for six years? so, he was two years was there for six years? so, he was two yea rs in was there for six years? so, he was two years in one unit, 18 miles away from islington, and then from islington he moved to clacton on sea, another 78 miles. that one of the hardest one to get to. it can ta ke the hardest one to get to. it can take up to five hours to get there. what sort of drugs were administered to him? eight site -- eight anti—psychotic drugs. 80 different ones. this was for a young man who did

we'rejoined now by kari gerstheimer from the charity mencap.h indeed for coming in, we appreciate it. we don't want to talk too much about this case but generally, is there a problem with people having teeth extraction is broadly? when perhaps they are not needed?|j extraction is broadly? when perhaps they are not needed? i think very serious questions need to be asked about why people with a learning disability are having their whole health deteriorates so badly that multiple extractions and even entire extractions are needed. it is the case that some people with a learning disability, because of their sensory needs, need support with having their teeth cleaned. my colleague's little boy who has a learning disability, it's taken on 2.5 years with support from the community dental team to be able to clea n community dental team to be able to clean these teeth. that, we would like questions to be asked about that. when it comes to the extractions, we know there is a cluster around worcestershire of people having all of their teeth removed people