so i'm not worried about kari lake and her aggressive -- of donald trump's record.i think is more problematic is the fact that the entire republican party continues to place itself in service of donald trump and in service of that white supremacists based that kari lake is talking to. as i want to point out, and a normal party when one of your rivals is invited -- indicted on 37 counts of espionage, the rest of the field is like hm, maybe you should elect me and not the guy got himself indicted but the modern republican party scheming. they are all jones and for the next -- jonesing so they can't risk saying mean things about trump even though he has just been indicted. they have to placate him even as they are supposed to be running against him. it is pathetic on their part, one of the two major political parties in the country. as they start to work through the kind of practical reality, not just of indicting trump, by bringing him to trial and potentially convicting him, that becomes really hard to do if during the course of this process, he is crowned the republ

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this is exactly the kind of thing that gets kari lake on oan, on newsmax, on other places.e part is a lot of people listening have no idea that's the goal. they hear it, they believe it, and you know, god forbid one of them decides to take action. >> and none of them have read the indictment. let me play chris christie. i want to talk about the substance of what trump is alleged to have done. here's chris christie talking about not trump but his kids. >> the grift from this family is breathtaking. it's breathtaking. jared kushner and ivanka kushner walk out of the white house and months later get $2 billion from the saudis. $2 billion from the saudis. you think it's because he's some kind of investing genius? or do you think it's because he was sitting next to the president of the united states for four years doing favors for the saudis? >> now, you know, there's no evidence that these two jared and ivanka or jared kushner specifically had access to classified material, but he could have. it's in a bathroom, in a balroom, spilling on the floor. we have no idea who had acces

amy: kari lake's comments were widely criticized.ruben gallego, a democrat running for senate, responded -- "this language isn't just hyperbole, it's dangerous and it threatens the very core of our democracy." donald trump has repeatedly attacked special counsel jack smith, calling him age arranged lunatic and a thug. on saturday, trump spoke in columbus, georgia, about what he called the "final battle." pres. trump: the marxist left is using the same corrupt doj and corrupt fbi and the attorney general and the local district attorneys to interfere in our elections at a level that our country and few countries have ever seen before. they are cheating, they're crooked, they're corrupt. these criminals cannot be rewarded. you have to defeat them. amy: we are joined now by ruth ben-ghiat, expert on fascism and authoritarianism, author of "strongmen: mussolini to the present," and a professor of history and italian studies at new york university. she also publishes the newsletter "lucid" on threats to democracy. professor, welcome back t

i want to show you what kari lake said on friday night. if you want to get to president trump, you'll have to go through me and 75 million americans like me andine going to tell us most of us are card carrying members of the nra. that is not a threat, that is a public service announcement. but the experts that we've been speaking to and that monitor this kind of stuff, that is exactly the kind of talk that could encourage people who are online, who may want to show up and -- and perhaps even engage in violence. >> yeah, absolutely. it is the laenguage of incitement. thank you very much for tracking this for us as always. you do great work in that area. we appreciate it very much. >>> let's dig deep we are tim naftali, a cnn presidential historian and former director of the nixon presidential library. and let's listen to the rhetoric that kari lake was using and some of what trump was using on the campaign trail this weekend. he talked about how this campaign is what he described as, quote, the final battle and he made some other comments t

i never know whether to use kari lake as a prime example or an outlier, she ran for governor of arizona, she's probably one of the four most election deniers in the country. but here's what she said on friday. i want you to evaluate this one with me. >> i have a message tonight. for merrick garland, and jack smith, and joe biden. and the guys back there, if they can hear me. he should listen up as well, this ones for you. if you want to get to president, trump you will have to go through me, and you will have to go through 75 million americans just like me. [applause] and i'm going to tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. [applause] [crowd chanting] that's not a threat, that's a public service announcement. [laughter] >> i thought i wasn't being shocked by kari lake, but that last sentence, most of us are card-carrying is at the nra? that's not a threat, that's a public service announcement? >> okay! this is a public service announcement because the main thing authoritarians have to do, and trump started using his rallies in 2015 to do this, is change the perception

kari lake simply puppeted them.tinues down this path that would make you break with them or are you in for a dime in for a dollar? >> gosh i don't know. but it's certainly disheartening. and as somebody who believes strongly in the rule of law and you've seen so many courts reject them time after time. and certainly if the leaders of the republican party continue to be people who the day ends -- or the day begins and ends with election denialism, then that's increasingly less a party that i feel at home with. my party is, again, about free markets, about rule of law, about individual responsibility, not about these fanciful illusions that somehow someone was wronged, somehow other republicans won on the ticket that was run by republican election officials, somehow that magically happened but you know, a few candidates with particular grievance were somehow cheated out of this. i mean, it's illogical and it's frustrating. and right now it is causing me personal harm. it's causing me and my family personal harm. the w

you take somebody like kari lake in arizona. kari lake didn't have to go the direction she went because she was charismatic, because she had those skills. if she had been -- >> and the name recognition. >> -- a mainstream republican, she could have struck out at liberals, at high taxes, at high regulation. she could have been a champion of small business owners, of entrepreneurs. she could have been a champion of parents. she could have criticized schools for being shut down too long during covid. she could have struck out against some of these things desantis is striking out against. she would have gotten elected governor and would have stayed there for a very long time. i remember looking at the guy who lost in north carolina, cawthorn, who would just say the craziest things. i looked at his district one time, and all he had to say was, "less taxes, less spending, more freedom." >> right. >> he would have been in that seat forever. i don't understand. they go to extremes and, politically, they blow themselves up. kari lake is

but it was just sort of, you know, especially the kari lake audio where she talks about how to get totrump's supporters -- >> millions. >> millions of supporters who are members of the nra and then this other language made by conservative commentators about milley, about what they wanted do to milley if they legally could. >> kill him. >> correct. it wasn't hard to find these different examples. >> and i actually looked, i googled it, mary, which is probably more than one of an extremists to see if republicans had condemned it en masse, and if i'm looking and have a hard time finding it, there's no way the would-be extremists, especially those prone to violence saw any universal condemnation of the rhetoric. what is the effect of that in terms of calculating the real risk for violence? >> you know, this is something that's been building up over the years, right, and you can already see if you just kind of compare this type of rhetoric from a few years ago, like pre2020 to where we are now, you see a consistent drum beat of, you know, thinly veiled calls to violence that get thinner an

meanwhile, down in arizona, a former local news anchor and trump worshiper kari lake has been defeatedn the race for governor by democrat katie hobbs. [ cheers and applause ] of course, kari lake has not conceded the election. she's still asking to speak to the manager. when the race was called, she tweeted, "arizonans know b.s. when they see it." i guess so! they seem to have figured you out. [ applause ] yesterday, she appeared on the oan channel, this right-wing network, to offer this delusional look at her future. >> what position do you expect to find yourself at the beginning of next week? >> i think, daniel, that we're going to know before then who the winner is. i already know who the winner is, and the winner is me. >> jimmy: a real donna trump, this one. [ laughter ] i want to get another look at the reporter. is there a 9-year-old culkin brother we didn't know about? [ laughter ] the senate race in georgia is headed to a runoff. which means we have three more weeks to try to figure out what the hell herschel walker is saying. >> and we were ready for the green agenda, i rais

the former republican governor -- candidate for governor, rather, in arizona, kari lake, she is coming under increased criticism for some words that she expressed over the weekend about this indictment. here are some of those comments. >> we're at war, people. if you want to get to president trump, you're going to have to go through me. and you're going to have to go through 75 million americans just like me. and i'm going to tell you, yep, most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. that's not a threat. that's a public service announcement. >> reporter: phil and erica, as you can imagine right now, the overall security posture is what you would expect it to be considering a number of federal buildings here in downtown miami, we're talking about the new federal courthouse behind me, the old one right across the street as well as the u.s. attorney's office. and you've got the federal detention center just next door. >> carlos suarez for us in miami. thanks so much. >>> there is a lot of discussion this morning about the federal judge assigned to oversee this case. it's a name that

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you have got play higgins, you've got kari lake.'ve got all these other folks who are now saying the quiet part out loud. but if you try to hold trump to stand of accountability and justice we will kill you. that's what they are saying. we should take it seriously. the department doses should take it seriously. law enforcement should take it seriously. these are people who are not doing it rhetorically, they're not doing it with a -- there are no saying things, like we are gonna storm the battlements and you will rational trump. are you conduct on, the trump there will be violence. take the promise. seriously we are in the late stage american democracy right now. and there is an authoritarian movement and understands the force of action through -- willing to, use and they believe it is politically consequential for them. and that there will not be repercussions in the political space. >> but, rick let's talk about the realities and the deterrent effect of people like the oath keepers and the proud boys, doing a time in serious priso

over the weekend the former republican candidate for governor in arizona kari lake made comments aboutat have brought a great deal of criticism her way for some of the language she used. here's a portion of what they said over the weekend. >> we're at war, people. you want to get to president trump, you have to go through me and you're going to have to go through 75 million americans just like me. and i'm going to tell you, yep, most of us are card carrying members of the nra. >> and so, jake, the miami-dade police department tells me they are in communications with the department of homeland security and they're keeping a close eye on two events that they have pretty much confirmed are taking place. one is happening right now outside of the trump doral property here where some supporters have gathered, holding up signs and waving the u.s. flag and posters supporting the former president and we're told they're keeping a close eye on some protests that will most likely take place tomorrow outside of the federal courthouse in downtown miami. >> all right. carlos suarez in doral florida,

kari lake is a bomb thrower, she is just like donald trump, they like to boast and bluff and bragg andse this hyperbole a lot. but there's a real legitimate concern about how their acolytes will take this forward. we saw what happened on january 6th, when these people got brainwashed into believing this stuff. we saw the seditious conspiracy trials go down, and people get convicted and go to prison for ten, 15, 20 years. there is a non trivial threat that there will be violence because of this -- trump is threatening the wife of the prosecutor who as far as i know, has nothing to do with any of this other than she happens to be married to jack smith. there is a real concern here that law enforcement has to have about whether or not there are going to be legitimate threats against federal law enforcement authorities investigated president, whether not that will be political violence. and if this continues forward, we could see a replay of january 6th in some fashion on another day in one or multiple different venues, and it's something that republicans are going to have to address one w

trump and his allies have called for protests, and former arizona gubernatorial candidate kari lake issuedant to get to president trump, you're going to have to go through me, and you're going to have to go through 75 million americans just like me. and i'm going to tell you -- [ cheers and applause ] yep, most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. >> reporter: law enforcement sources say they're monitoring plans for pro-trump rallies, including one that may be organized by the proud boys, and violent online rhetoric has surged since the indictment. >> make no mistake about it. we're taking this event extremely serious. >> reporter: the former president has remained defiant since the 37-count indictment was handed up friday. >> as far as the joke of an indictment, it's a horrible thing. >> reporter: attacking the special counsel, jack smith. >> jack smith. sounds so innocent. he's deranged. >> reporter: several of trump's 2024 rivals have echoed his grievances about the justice department. but former south carolina governor nikki haley also questioned trump's conduct. >> it's reckles

from house members like jim jordan, from kari lake, from others. part of it is delegitimizing department of justice going after prosecutors. there are certain traditions and protocols and department of justice and how do you combat that from a communication standpoint? >> the attorney general once told me that it's not enough to do justice, we have to appear to do justice. and at its core that is what disappointed objective and the special counsel was all about. smith is a career prosecutor. he is part of the permanent workforce of the department. he didn't come and go like we did as local appoint, political appointees -- >> i was not a political appointee, i didn't come and go. >> right, as you and i did. he's part of the career workforce. it's important here for the attorney general back in november. he was president with disappointment. because he anticipated that these attacks would come from republican allies. republican allies of the president. so i think what's happened here is an overwhelming set of facts that prove at its core that base de

trump and his allies have called for protests, and former arizona gubernatorial candidate kari lake issueding members of the nra. president trump, you will have to go through me and 75 million americans just like me. and i'm going to tell you, yes, most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. >> reporter: law enforcement sources say they are monitoring plans for pro trump rallies including one that may be organized by the proud boys and violent online rhetoric has surged since the indictment. >> make no mistake about it, we are taking this event extremely serious. >> reporter: the former president has remained defiant since the 37 count indictment was handed up friday. >> as far as the joke of an indictment, it's a horrible thing. >> reporter: attacking the special counsel jack smith. >> jack smith, sounds so innocent, he is deranged. >> several of the rivals have issued grievances about the justice department, but nikki haley also questioned trump's conduct. >> it's reckless, it's frustrating, and it causes problems. and you know, we are looking now this is a second indictment. lookin

i want to show you what kari lake said friday night in georgia.f you want to get to president trump, you have to go through me and 75 million americans of us like me. we're card-carrying members of the nra. that's not a threat, but a public service announcement. the experts say that's the talk that can encourage online who may want to show up and, perhaps engage in violence. >>> one quick programming note. anderson cooper will host a republican presidential town hall with former new jersey governor chris christie live from new york. that's monday at 8:00 p.m. in new york. 8:00 a.m. in hong kong right here on cnn. >>> the former scottish minister has been released with charges after being related to a probe into the national party finances. police are investigating funds specifically earmarked for a referendum campaign. this marks the third high-profile arrest in the investigation. they were also released with no charges. she says she knows beyond doubt she is innocent of any wrongdoing. >>> u.s. federal reserve officials are set to meet this week.

will kari lake bake him a cake with a nail file in it.l he bendin standing up by th election day and will hillary clinton laugh like she's doing whip-its every time she's in public. [laughter] >> and to my family. [laughter] >> greg: i don't know what she's laughing at her record, i guess. it is all pretty weird, the charges sound real, their importance is being inflated. why? they can'tey ct th say what the really doing, democrats are arresting a political rival, ey taking him off the table after targeting for years. joe biden suggested he would make sure trump wouldn't be running again.e >> president bidenth: demonstra he will not take power if he ow does run by making sure he under legitimate efforts of our constitution does not become the next president again. >> greg: remember that. he didn't say beat him in election, he said make sure he doesn't run, i guess this is what he meant. let's welcome tonight's guests. a woman in men's locker rooms before there were men in women's locker rooms, host of the r michele lafoya podcast, michele

and kari lake said this. >> we're at war, people. if you want to get to president trump, you have to go through me and you have to go through 75 million americans just like me. and i'm going to tell you -- yep. most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. >> miami police say they are working on security with federal, state and local partners. but the city has not issued any protest permits. >> reporter: the city of miami says they are ready for whatever happens outside of the federal courthouse in downtown miami on tuesday. miami's police chief said that the miami police department has enough resources for crowds of up to 50,000 people. now, when he was pressed for specifics, the chief of police said his department was not going to get into where all of the resources are being deployed. there's some concern heading into tuesday that law enforcement may not be ready for the possible crowds that will show up in support of the former president and those that are protesting the former president. a few barricades have been set up arou

kari lake said if you want to get to trump, you have to go through us.hing do with improving the lives of anybody, except he who criminally charged for his various public and brazen crimes. >> i would say it works for the losers' party. they have lost. democrats -- i know we are anxious and we are of the bedwetting type from time to time and freak out about where we are. the truth is, the second donald trump was elected, we have been on a decent winning streak. we have been in the middle. we have put forward competency over chaos. their rhetoric works with a lot that keeps losing. if we just stay motivated to believe in the rule of law, to believe in democracy, to believe in freedom, women's freedom or kid's freedom to come home from school, to read whatever book you want to win. we won a marriage race in jacksonville. we are on a winning streak. they are on the losing side. we need to be more confident that our message is working. >> chris christie is making a similar argument against trump. republican voters -- i gave up political predictions after 16.

will trump be the first ex-president to go to jail and will kari lake make him . a cake with a foul in it? will joe biden be in a cell next to him? that is if he is still standing upright by election day or will present kamala last like she is doing with his every time she is in public? [cheers and applause] [laughter] >> to my divine family. [laughter] >> greg: i don't know what she is laughing at, at her record, i guess. it is all pretty weird. the charges sound real. but it is clear that they are important -- their importance is being inflated. why? because they can't say what they are really doing. the democrats are arresting a political rival. that is what it is. they are taking him off the table. after targeting for years. it is funny. joe biden suggest he made sure trump would not run again. >> president biden: we have to demonstrate that he will not take power. if he does run, i'm making sure he under legitimate efforts of our constitution does not become the next president again. >> greg: remember that? yeah, he did not say beat him in an election. he sai

to have to come through me and all of his millions of supporters and they emphasize for example kari lake, of arizona. she's emphasized that the nra people have guns in this is a concern to them that the president has been in her words unfairly targeted. and then you cannot be more right about the devastating evidence in this case. i thought i knew that the evidence of obstruction from sources who've been interviewed by jack smith's team was pretty bad but what is inside that indictment and of course that's not the totality of the evidence. it's what is inside that indictment reveals. it reveals how carelessly donald trump considered destroying evidence and bragged about what he believed were other lawyers who had destroyed evidence for their clients. of course he misdescribe that about hillary clinton and her lawyers. but he was almost gleeful talking about if you could just ali sevens the stuff it could be good. or as he said to his own lawyer evan corcoran thanks to some iphone messages that mr. corcoran kept of his interactions with his client. as he said maybe you could just if you f

when you hear prominent trump supporters like kari lake suggesting 75 million republicans with guns will from the justice system. how worried are you about pro trump violence in the coming days and weeks? >> very worried about it. the fbi director said that it was actually domestic terrorism that was the greatest threat we face. particularly extreme right and white supremacists, domestic terrorism. and those are the people who form trump's base. you've gotta ask yourself how stupid is this guy? because here he is calling for exactly the kind of action he called for on january six in an attempt to intimidate the prosecutor who is also prosecuting him for january six. . the moment he attacked our democracy, he's trying to recreate it. i'm worried about it but he should be worried about it too because it's really going to damage the other big case which is looming off in the future. >> you questioned how stupid this guy could be the title of multiple books about donald trump and his legacy. >> ahead, oh the hypocrisy. republicans are flipped so many times on the importance of securing class

i want to mention kari lake is in that crowd. the woman who ran for governor in arizona and lost to katie hobbs and files multiple suits to try to overturn that loss. she's lost all those suits so far. she's also said in the past few days that prosecutors would have to go through her and other members of the nra. she said this is not a threat. an explanation or something like that. tried to say it was not a threat. for a lot of members of the republican party, it can lend you a sense of -- that you might not have had. when does that break? how many losses, lose the next election or midterms or whatever, how many losses before the party decides to cleave themselves from the former president. what do you think about the discussion about potential pardon down the line? >> i think there's a lot of discussion but i don't think that's the situation that we really need to worry about. if a republican becomes president, they don't need to deal with a pardon. they can just tell the department of justice to end the case. for instance if do

kari lake said there's 75 million people standing between you and me and the president.y of them are nra card carrying members. representative biggs said it's eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. even my hero, curt schilling, baseball guy. said something about pulling the trigger. so i'm afraid of a lone wolf like when the fbi office in cincinnati was shot at. can i say something quickly because it's relevant about hunter biden. it is and gradually in the next day or two, it is a sweetheart deal and it's going to play right into donald trump's hands. you cannot, once your caught, settle something civilly with the irs. you can only potentially settle it, you have to apply for a program, if you want to come forward before they've caught you. imagine if you could not pay your tax, not file and on fess up once you're caught. so it's not settled civilly. misdemeanors and pretrial diversion on a felony is a rare thing in federal court. so my hat's off to his attorney. i wish him well. but it's going to play right into donald trump's hand. i don't think doj is weaponized. i think

have, unfortunately, alex, it's not the jeb campaign but last year during the mid-term going to a kari laket stunt, was the biggest part of the day. it shows this is what republican voters are motivated by this, that's the most depressing part of this whole thing. >> and i remember you going to that event, tim. the fact is there's the economic cost, right? if you're an anti-migrant state that is going to cost you economically given where labor is these days and also the fact desantis has filled his coughers with $12 million allocated with really just own the libs. he's taking texas migrants and paying for their flights to liberal cities is which is on so many levels absolutely -- i keep using the word bonkers in this program, but there is no other word for it. but the essence of this is what you point out, it's the cruelty piece. and to me it seems like immigration has become this county fair for republicans to show-off their cruellest policies. why the lust to be mean to fellow human beings? why has that gotten such a toe hold? why has that seized the imagination of the gop? >> yeah, i thi

we heard this from former arizona gubernatorial candidate kari lake at a gop convention over the weekend if you want to get to president trump, you're going to have to go through me and through 75 million americans just like me. and i'm going to tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. >> chief, first, your reaction to this kind of rhetoric? how do you think law enforcement is assessing or monitoring the impact of that kind of rhetoric? >> i can guarantee you as a former police chief and having talked to chiefs as recent as this morning, that everyone is aware of this type of, what i would call inflammatory language coming out there. certainly while there's a high level of security at the physical sites, on the internet the people are able to get on those chambers and everyone is at risk because it only takes a few people, one lone wolf or a couple of them to react and respond to that type of information that's coming out there and creating a threat for pretty much anyone anywhere. all agencies are aware of this and are taking the precautionary efforts and on high alert

the relevant experience i have, not on the campaign, but last year, during the mid term, going to kari lake, the desantis migrant stunt, the bs migrant stunt, was the biggest applause line of the day for masters. of course, there's no personality, but this just shows that republican voters are motivated by this. that is the most pressing part of this whole thing. >> i remember you going to that event tim. the fact is, there is the economic cost. if you are an anti migrant state, it will cost you, economically, based on where labor is the states. there's also that ron desantis is filled as coffers with $12 million allocated to own the libs, by using migrants as pawns. he's taking texas migrants, and paying for their flights to liberal cities which is, on so many levels, absolutely, i keep using the word bonkers in this program, but there is no other word for it. the essence of this, is what you point out. it's the cruelty. to me, it seems like immigration is becoming this county fair for, republicans to show off their cruelest policies with. why the last to be mean? why has that gotten such

individual, maybe even someone not in miami, just one of these people who listens to the people like kari lake or the girl friend of one of the trump sons that they listen to them and then they go to arms because obviously the guns are real. this is not there is a heavily armed group of people who have shown themselves to be willing to use arms as a means of expressing their political beliefs. so that's the bad news. here's the good news. donald trump's no longer in power. he cannot direct law enforcement or military in any way to protect himself. the january 6th prosecution have meant that within the sort of cesspool of hate that some of us follow, that there is no -- that there's a lot of skepticism about him and there's a lot of skepticism about their ability to be granted a get out of jail free card. remember when he was president, he was basically promising them pardons. they all know that not to be true. finally the right wing extremist groups are turning on each other, the oath keepers, the proud boys are turning on each other and turning on each other internally. all of those are good

kari lake said in georgia if you want to get to president trump, you are going to have to go througho have to go through 75 million americans just like me and i am going to tell you most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. that's not a threat. that's a public service announcement. your reaction in this environment to what you're hearing from sneeze supporters of the former president? >> the language, victor, is dangerous. it is dangerous. it's rhetoric that we have heard time and time again. and the challenge with that for a law enforcement is that we don't have to, you know, guess whether or not that rhetoric can transcend into physical violence. we know it can. and that's the danger that the public faces, you know, on an event like this on the president's arrest is that someone will receive that message, will, you know, will basically take that as a call to action to do something nefarious, you know, whether it's on tuesday or towards the fbi or towards, you know, court officials. that is the danger here. that rhetoric transcending into direct physical violence. we know tha

some of the things that kari lake is saying.seeing on social media right now. i get the feeling of some of the rhetoric that we saw before january six. even if that doesn't happen, what a responsible people doing? they said let's keep the powder dry. let's lower the temperature. let's let the system work the way it's supposed to. you're not hearing that from a lot of republican leaders. >> you know, charlie, i am concerned. i'm very concerned about the violence and the rhetoric. i think the rhetoric has been ratcheting up all summer. . i think of what meacham said friday night on our network he said the question before now is what kind of democracy are we going to be? eric going to be a democracy that forces rules and laws, are we going to be an amateur democracy that uses chaos over the constitution. the people have the power here. our elected officials have power. frankly, maybe we should all be asking the very same questions that you just posed to every single one of these elected officials. >> buckle, that folks. we are in f

kari lake at an event in georgia said something very similar today. they are inciting violence.be it will be a mob in miami on tuesday, maybe it will be another low -- like you saw in el paso, or allen, or pittsburgh, or buffalo. but make no mistake, this is what they are doing. they are inciting violence among hard-core extremists, heavily armed americans. they believed that 30 or 45% of the republican party which means millions of people, perhaps tens of millions of people, stephanie, are being ramped up to stand back and stand by and wait for orders. this is a very dangerous and pressure fill time in our politics and what these people do is absolutely unconscionable and irresponsible. >> stand back and stand by which is the signal former president donald trump gave to the proud boys while he was on the debate stage. we know how that worked out. given that, given that we are talking about heavily armed and charged americans, how can mitch mcconnell, how can -- who's been silent, robert. or kevin mccarthy, who is obviously not going that far -- hard at the leaders and the party

listen to this from kari lake who failed to win the governorship in arizona. >> if you want to get toresident trump you're going to have to go through me and you're going to have to go through 75 million americans just like me. >> and then she mentioned that they were all members of the nra. so that they have guns basically. >> right. >> how does law enforcement see this as a potential ginning up to the point where somebody, someone may take this in a very different way? >> i mean, you look at it from an intelligence analyst standpoint which is where is the threat coming from? does this individual have access to weapons? has there been any planning or scoping out operationally to do something? a lot of this is blow hards, puffery, but you have to remember right after the mar-a-lago search warrant an individual with an ar-15 assault weapon opened fire on an fbi office in cincinnati, ohio, and then engaged in a shootout to his death with police. so this kind of inflammatory talk in the words matter department from an intelligence standpoint is it's not just the puffery. somebody out the

the candidate kari lake was speaking and said, if you want to get to president trump, you have to go me and 75 million americans like me, and most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. when you listen to all of this, do you believe there is a threat of more political violence around mr. trump's indictment, or as soon as tomorrow when he is arraigned? jeff: my guess is there will not be a january 6 like event tomorrow in miami, precisely because so many militia members had been arrested. they are afraid of infiltration, at the fbi. they have moved to a different kind of action. the other risk is the way this language incites those whom we think of as lone wolves. the mass shooters who manifesto after manifesto refer to this political rhetoric and tl each other to go forward, carry the fight on. amna: tell me about that. from what we know about how this rise of domestic extremism has occurred, it does not seem like it takes elarate planning. it is often an individual with a set of grievances who is motivated by language like this. is that what we are seeing as the trend? jeff: ye

. >>> meantime, kari lake is now facing a lawsuit over her false claims that she lost the arizona governor'sd. that lawsuit has been filed by maricopa county's recorder steven ritger who claims he faced death threats and lost friendships because of lies spread by lake. he is also seek ago court order to get lake to delete statements she made on social media accusing him of interfering in the election to prevent her from winning. lake of course is an outspoken donald trump supporter. she's now said she's seriously considering a run for senate. >>> india's prime minister finishing up his diplomatic tour of washington. coming up, why u.s. lawmakers are embracing him despite controversy back home. you're watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc. sleep more deeply. and wake up rejuvenated. purple mattress's exclusive gelflex grid draws away heat, relieves pressure, and instantly adapts. sleep better, live purple. save up to $800 off mattress sets during purple's july 4th sale. visit purple.com or a store near you. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. a

kari lake, merrick garland will have to go through, thirely tron americans and most of us are card carryinghe nra. what more are you seeing out there when it comes to stuff like this? and how much is this kind of penetrating the right-wing followers of the former president? >> you know, after all of these, and for the first indictment in new york, after the raid in mar-a-lago last year you would see these kinds of things. by the, way i want to stress, it is still happening. i'm gonna read you a couple right now. this is from patriots dot when where they basically organized january 6th. we need to start killing these traders upstate. it is not going to stop until -- separate post, not gonna stop until the bodies start stacking. up we are not -- >> oh my gosh. >> i am most worried about another thing frankly, that they are very much targeting both jack smith's family and merrick garland's family. one post says his children are fair game as far as i'm concerned. about merrick garland. jack smith's family has been targeted by trump himself in the last couple of days on truth social. talking abo

washington post reporter all -- tweeted kari lake speaking in georgia tonight, this was yesterday, saysmerrick garland will have to go through 75 million americans, and most of us are card-carrying members of the nra. that's not a threat, it's a public service announcement. harry lake responded to isaac, i meant what i said. i mean, there's hyperbole, there's puffery, there is political banter, i don't know which one a column. but there is legitimate fear carlos of people could actually get here hurt because of these calls for violence. by the way, it's not just trump doing it. there's actual politicians calling for violence. >> that's right katie, by the way, the city is going to host, this theater here on tuesday, miami, trump will be coming to the city. and i can tell you, local law enforcement is concerned that there could be violence, in that they're taking special preparation, special steps to make sure that they are prepared to deal with any potential violence. these words matter these people don't understand that they have followers. and we have seen how those people have been m

i will say, though in kari lake's case she lost by 17,000 votes. that's not that much.k, if donald trump could juice out turnout even more in some of those rural parts, there is the ability to do that, they could compensation for those independents that they are losing here. this is a lock here, and democrats i think are having a reckoning because of the likes of tim ryan said he went around the state of ohio trying to convince the trump base he was that working class democrat that could best represent them. >>> we've got news around the implosion of the titan submersible. the u.s. coast guard has launched the highest level investigation it can launch. five major pieces of the titan have been located and now investigators will try to figure out what exactly went wrong. joining me now is nbc news correspondent tom costello. so tom, explain it to us. >> this marine board of investigation is what the coast guard has launched. that's the most senior type of investigation it can launch, and based on the findings, it could then refer this to a criminal or civil sanction type

talk to her and her message was quite clear as well usual bit about what she had to say, here is kari lakere people and what denies the government against present of the biggest active election interference that we've ever seen in this country. reporter: and in just a final last look as we turn around here we can see only a few top supporters say remaining here but if it's an indian it is an indication of the support the president former president is going to garner, as this plays out, certainly is going to have support that we have not seen since the days of rallies, all in all, a cold day here after the president has now left and now, folks continuing tonight, and i suspect it will be talking about the supporters they came out, and then once he met in a cafÉ after he left here about before he flew back to new jersey. liz: thank you so much, 12 and griff jenkins one of you back on so i hope it will for more this is predict the host david ruben, and you're smart guy we love you take on things, what you think of the media reporting on this story. >> will, the media has revolved around trump

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well, kari lake said that there are 75 million people standing out there and most of them are card-carryingoing to be a big rally, but like after the search warrant, somebody took a shot at the fbi headquarters in cincinnati. so i think that is the only thing, hopefully, that his lawyers will restrain him from saying. but the lawyers should stop the fighting and they should focus on drawing the case in court. they should assign the tasks and start developing a legal strategy factually and legally. . i think that there are some defenses, even about the indictment it is very detailed and shocking. >> why did you decide not to represent donald trump? >> well, i do not want to talk about any confidential conversations, but what i have said publicly is that when i was asked by counted, and in public there were 13 lawyers working full-time on various trump investigations. so somebody to take a leading role defending or representing mr. trump would have to do the same thing. and i just have professional and moral commitments to my law practice and clients who i've represented for a long period of

kari lake. [cheering] wherever you may be. frank pavone. frank, thank you very much.. and congratulations as well to richard vigary on receiving the defender of freedom award a big deal, mike huckabee, a friend of mine. he has been a friend of mine from a long time ago. i think he is better than he was 20 years ago. thanks for being a friend heard i also want to thank the great politician and a fantastic person running for governor of north carolina, his endorsement yesterday was amazing. [cheering] for north carolina. lieutenant governor mark robinson. [cheering\ ] that was such an endorsement, it went viral. it was all over the world last night. i think he is going to do well. these young ladies followed me, i guess we had 90 messages, they are from north carolina and they are incredible. they are beautiful and they happen to be rich. i think they are great. and he will do very well, mark, i think and north carolina. let me say a very special thanks to all of you that are gathered here. the crowd is incredible and even outside, packed. so, something is going on. we