karl karl sen cashed in on insurance claims before. august 1986, a car fire, the cause electrical, insurance payout $10,000. november 2002. a barn fire that killed three prized horses. cause, also electrical. insurance payout, $115,000. but investigators were also learning of the biggest bombshell. what happened to karl karlsen's first wife, levi's mother? after all of the evidence you found right there on the property, what then did you make of what happened to his first wife? >> suspicious. >> reporter: when we come back -- another insurance policy, another horrific tale almost impossible to believe. and tonight, only on "20/20," what his current wife feared next, and what she was willing to do to trap her husband. so you send her in through this parking lot, and she has a wire on where? >> underneath her clothing. >> reporter: what she got on tape when we come back. earlier today, matt had a crazy idea, and a crazy idea can either make you kind of famous or kind of fired. his bosses told him to pack up his things and go... ♪ ...to a

police said she found out karl had taken out a $1.2 million life insurance policy on her.wire, pretending to karl that she was considering getting back together with him and now you're about to hear part of that conversation for the first time. >> can you just tell me how things went that day? >> karlson throws suspicious at cindy. >> part of me feels like i'm walking into a booby trap. >> but he starts telling her more. >> what i remember, i jacked it up. >> i asked you if you pushed the truck and you said yes. >> i didn't push the truck, i said. i said i had nothing to do with it. but i said i took advantage of the situation once it happened. >> with what they see as incriminating statements, the police bring karlson in for questioning. >> the reason they brought you in today was really over -- >> my son. levi. >> at first he denies it. >> to sit here and say that i killed my son? there is no way. >> but as the hours go by, nine and a half hours in all, he switches stories. first saying he had found his son's body earlier but had not said anything. >> i found him dead. >

karl marlantes thank you for being here. karl marlantes: its a great pleasure. terry: its nice to have you here. so ok you get to be on the spot first because im not going to describe the book. you get to. give us a little bit of a capsule of what this is about. karl: what this is about is me trying to find meaning about an experience that basically blew my brains. i mean its trying to make sense out of an experience that is so far out of the ordinary that its just very hard to try and bring it back to the ordinary. and i wrote it for several reasons. one is to try and sort things out myself of the experience of being at war and coming back from it. and the other is for people who are contemplating a military career. im a marine, im no pacifist and i think its an honorable service, but i dont want any romantics going into our military. and i thought also if i could help sort of sort things out for veterans who are reading it, it might help them sort some of their questions out as well. terry: did it help you to do this? karl: oh yes i think it did. terry: how so

that's what karl is talking about. don't forget when karl rove built george w.ush from the ground up, he built the compassionate, conservative george w. bush, remember. it was george w. bush who pushed through prescription drug benefit. >> immigration reform. >> karl knew how to clothe the anti-government, harshness of coming out of texas with more mainstream traditional republicanism. ted cruz is the unvarnished, unclothed version of it. karl's point is that will never sell to the country as a whole. >> go ahead. >> i'm onnot sure tea party sees it as a problem. depends what the ambitions of the tea party are. i remember in 2009 going to missouri and enter veeg tea party when it was starting. it was local. they wanted to control local party. when you see those that signed the suicide letter, what they are concerned about is how things run in their district. i think they are happy to gum up the system and give a kick to the establishment. i'm not necessarily sure they are thinking we need to have a national platform to take over politics and policy. >> i've got

right after that, karl icahn appeared on bloomberg. was born yesterday, but my gut is he had the interview set up. we were reaching out to see if he canceled. liz: because ron got tough behind him. charlie: because bloomberg -- you know, the problem with these interviews, it is uncritical. you are always nice to people who talk to you. there is nothing wrong with that. that is human nature. the question is, do you allow yourself to be used where there is no context? it looks like he cancels them and says: okay, i told you so. then, he teaches them a lesson. by the way, let's be honest, apple is doing a buyback. he wants a buyback that is three times as large, apparently. liz: charlie, thank you very much. charlie gasparino. karl icahn used twitter. setting expectations too low to get big returns when it filed its ipo. a conservative price change. in essence, at this range, it would give the company a tad of a valuation of facebook. it has more than doubled the range they have a has announced. what an interesting day. you just witnessed

i remember early on -- i think it was karl rove wandered into a meeting late. and it was fortunate it was karl because he had big standing in our administration. i said don't be late again. and all of the people in the meeting were like, man, this guy means it. if he's telling it to karl rove. our meetings started on time, ended on time. it was disciplined inside an organization is very important in order to get good advice. radio. >> how did he deal with that with you and the way you ran the raidday-to-day operations. >> by the time i became chief of staff, five full years into the administration, it was pretty well established if you were hanging around george w. bush, you were going to run on time. i got the my first lesson in it in the campaign when we were in boston for the presidential debate. we were all leaving and governor bush decided he didn't want to risk being on time. he's going to leave ten minutes early. he got in the motorcade and left. and i remember being able to see the motorcade out of miho tell room taking off. just left me behind. it was

karl rove is just ahead. plus a world war ii vet group is bringing a growing number of our nation's he ros to washington. two honor flight guardians join us to talk about the controversy in the capitol. they opened it for an immigration re form rally but not for the vets. and now the upcoming million vet march that's building for this weekend. >> we have people other than the world war ii veterans are basically shut out from coming in and seeing this memorial and nancy pelosi and her he bunch were out across the yard. they have hundreds of thousands of illegal i aliens over there that they are glad handing. [ male announcer ] meet mary. she loves to shop online with her debit card. and so does bill, an identity thief who stole mary's identity, took over her bank accounts, and stole her hard-earned money. unfortunately, millions of americans just like you learn all it may take is a little misplaced information to wreak havoc on your life. this is identity theft. and no one helps stop it better than lifelock. l

jon karl is back with us. you explored that civil war with two republicans this week. >> i talked to two high profile republicans, both potential presidential candidates, as you'll see they represent opposite sides of this battle for the future of the republican party. >> the deal was a terrible deal. the washington establishment sold the american people down the river. it provided no relief for the millions of people that are hurting because of obama care but it is worth also focusing on what did happen because a lot, i think, was accomplished in the last couple of months. number one, the public debate over the harms that obama care is inflicting, it elevated the public debate. that's critically important. >> people hated this shutdown, they hated this impasse and this was seen as the ted cruz shutdown. you more than any single individual were seen as the one that triggered this crises to begin with. >> jon, i agree that a lot of d.c. politicians tried to call it that and a lot of the media did, too. >> we're

. >> you said it, karl.o do it for less. >> i sold two of the november 550 calls. >> genius. to spend less, dan sold not one, but two of the november 550 calls for a total of $18. but he did something else. he made making money even easier and here is how. between the $25 he spent buying one call. and the $18 he collected selling the other, two higher strike calls. dan reduced the cost of his trade to just $7. >> we feel pretty good. >> and now instead of needing apple to rise above 525. dan can see profits if it rises above that 500 strike call by more than that $7 he spent on the trade. or above 507 by november expiration. but there's a tradeoff. by selling more calls than he bought. dan will get short apple stock at that high call strike price. or in this case, above 550. beyond that point, profits trail off and eventually dan will face infinite losses. >> good lord. that's a lot of money. >> to protect himself against just that, dan then bought the november 600 strike call for $3, and completed his call

karl rove is just ahead. plus a world war ii vet group is bringing a growing number of our nation's he ros to washington. two honor flight guardians join us to talk about the controversy in the capitol. they opened it for an immigration re form rally but not for the vets. and now the upcoming million vet march that's building for this weekend. >> we have people other than the world war ii veterans are basically shut out from coming in and seeing this memorial and nancy pelosi and her he bunch were out across the yard. they have hundreds of thousands of illegal i aliens over there that they are glad handing. check it out. i can't believe your mom has a mom cave! today i have new campbell's chuy spicy chicken quesadilla soup. she gives me chunky before every game. i'm very souperstitious. haha, that's a good one! haha! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. [ male announcer ] may your lights always be green. [ tires reech ] ♪ [ beeping ] ♪ may you never be stuck behind a stinky truck.

. >> karl rove joins us. nice to see you, carl. >> good to see you, greta. >> karl, the president is getting a lot of heat for that comment because people are saying he knew people would lose their healthcare plans are. i'm not so sure that he actually knew it that he was that connected to it i don't know if that makes it worse that he was that disconnected from the actual rollout or that he knew and looked the other way. i don't know which is worse. >> that's a good point. though, he had to know. on december 19th of 2009, the congressional budget office sent to congress a letter this was also received at the white house that said between 8 to 9 million americans are going to lose their employer-provided coverage. they thought that would be offset by 6 million people getting coverage by their employers who previously had not gotten it. says that black and white. march 20th of 2010, just as the bill was getting ready to be passed. page 10 from a similar letter from the congressional budget office joint committ

karl rove is just ahead. plus a world war ii vet group is bringing a growing number of our nation's he ros to washington. two honor flight guardians join us to talk about the controversy in the capitol. they opened it for an immigration re form rally but not for the vets. and now the upcoming million vet march that's building for this weekend. >> we have people other than the world war ii veterans are basically shut out from coming in and seeing this memorial and nancy pelosi and her he bunch were out across the yard. they have hundreds of thousands of illegal i aliens over there that they are glad handing. youand you're talking toere rheuyour rheumatologistike me, about trying or adding a biologic. this is humira, adalimumab. this is humira working to help relieve my pain. this is humira helping me through the twists and turns. this is humira helping to protect my joints from further damage. doctors have been prescribing humira for over ten years. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific sou

karl rove is here. hear what karl has to say about tonight's news. and >>> making it hard for one business to do business. the owner of one virginia company may not only lose she may lose her workers too. nice to he so you. >> thanks for having me. >> what your business. >> the corporation does environmental management for federal clients. we do environmental asettlementses. we help write the federal regulations for environmental issues and we do remediation on super fund. >> two issues. one is any business you might want to get since october 1st, sips the shutdown. one is for completed business for which the government might owe you any money. does the government owe you for any completed money as of october 1st. >> yeah. >> how much? >> we invoice monthly. and the government is very good about paying every 30 days until now. they owe us right now over $80,000. that's over 30 days. but we have submitted invoices for last month which we have completed the work, so we're looking at more like 230,000. >> and so, what -- i take it you can't pay your emp

karl rove is here. hear what karl has to say about tonight's news. debt ceiling spike. coming up. at pain and sinus pressure with the power of advil and a nasal decongestant in a single pill. advil congestion relief. ♪ [ male announcer ] 1.21 gigawatts. today, that's easy. ge is revolutioning power. supercharging turbines with advanced hardware and innovative software. using data predictively to help power entire cities. so the turbines of today... will power us all... into the future. ♪ >>> making it hard for one business to do business. the owner of one virginia company may not only lose she may lose her workers too. nice to he so you. >> thanks for having me. >> what your business. >> the corporation does environmental management for federal clients. we do environmental asettlementses. we help write the federal regulations for environmental issues and we do remediation on super fund. >> two issues. one is any business you might want to get since october 1st, sips the shutdown. one is for completed business for which the government might owe you an

karl, talk to you then. karl rove with us today. 20 past, martha. martha: the man who was found responsible for the the death oe king of pop is now a free man overnight. why dr. conrad murray was released halfway through his sentence. bill: also remembering a beloved teacher, murdered by one of her students. friends and family saying good-bye to a woman that frankly made a difference at a very young age. >> can't erase what's happened. we have to overcome it. >> we need to pray for both families, perpetrator and victim. while we will never heal. bill: a 24-year-old teacher allegedly killed by a student laid to rest this morning. hundreds turned out just on sunday for a vigil remembering 24-year-old colleen ritzer. she was slashed with a box cutter by one of her students. colleagues remembered her dedication to the students she taught. >> she was a wonderful, inspirational teacher. she was an inspiration to all of us. she was an inspiration to me to live life to the fullest every single day. bill: one of her students, philip chism charged with murder

let's start with abc's jon karl. >> reporter: george, the shutdown is here. this morning, some 800,000 federal workers are being told to stay home, as government buildings and national parks across the country are closing down. overnight, there was no stopping the shutdown or the finger-pointing. >> senate democrats have offered nothing. yesterday, mr. speaker, they didn't even show up for work. >> what a shameful day this is in the history of the house of representatives. >> reporter: all of the fighting is over a bill that would fund the government for a matter of just six weeks. republicans tried yet again to pass a bill that would tie funding to delaying the key

locks and, you know, it's part of what that tells me is the political calculation that he made and karl rove made were that these were things that were popular and particularly popular with independents, moderates and female voters particularly and with the suburban voter and that was part of his compassionate conservative approach. maybe he didn't do much about it when he was elected, but when he was campaigning, he realized that was crucial. and with the al gore election you can argue any number of things were the reason that al gore lost. i just had a friend of mine who used to be mayor of knoxville, tennessee, and he was -- i was talking to -- [inaudible] maybe during the presentation he was saying if al gore had made only one visit to tennessee

to catch karl karlsen on tape confessing to levi's murder. a confession, she had told investigators, he had already made to her once before. they're sitting at a table, just the two of them. >> yes. >> reporter: and she's got a wire on the whole time? >> yes. >> reporter: as the couple is sitting here at the table, how many undercover investigators are sitting here in the restaurant? >> four. and this is what they got. >> i mean you're sorry about it, right? >> every minute of every day. >> i asked you if you pushed the truck, and you said yes.

karl might wander into gossip about politics. they were close and that is not something that they would say to get the chief down here for. most other conversations, including the press secretary and the assistant, they would call me and say that so and so was about to go when. -- go in. if i was not near the oval office, i would walk down to the oval office to be there for that conversation. >> i wanted to ask you about the omb clearance process. >> you are the one of the century -- wonk of the century. >> i don't think anybody understands it. it is a powerful place to be, if you're the director. if somebody wants to start a piece of legislation and they come to the omb clearance process, was that they case when you were there? what kind of power does the omb chairperson have an legislation? >> it is more powerful than you described. victim it officer wants to comment -- if a cabinet officer wants to comment on legislation, that has to go through clearance process that omb. it is less daunting than the way you made it sound. it

abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl has been talking to his sources. >> reporter: in washington peace could be at hand. democratic and republican leaders in the senate have struck a tentative deal that would end the shutdown and prevent default, but it is not a done deal. there is no guarantee that republicans in the house will go along. it's hard to imagine these guys would like what they see. at least mt. rushmore re-opened today, the state of south dakota footing the bill until politicians get their act together in washington. government buildings are still closed and trash is piling up. the government shutdown now in week three. after a furious day of closed door meetings on capitol hill, a tentative deal is at hand. it would re-open the government but only until january 15th and avoid default but just for now, extending the government's ability to borrow money until mid-february. the first sign of hope came this afternoon when the top democrat and top republican in the senate stopped calling each other names. >> my good friend the majority leader, we have had an

karl rove is joining us. nice to see you, karl. >> nice to see you, greta. >> do you think it's a do over since it took nine days for the politicians to wake up for what they were doing to the families of these fallen soldiers? >> i think this was callusness and insensitivity on the part of the press secretary, but thing frankly we've seen way too much of that over the last couple of weeks. remember, robert hill, the undersecretary of defense, the controller of the defense department, had raised this as a problem before the shutdown. congress -- the house passed a bill to provide for funding for the military. the sponsors of the bill, including buck mckee and the m armchair of the armed services committee was passed, signed by the president. nowhere during that time did the department of defense say we don't think this solves the problem, nor when the president signed it. then this week we have five dead americans returned home. the family is not girn the den benefits, housing allowance, burial assistance. an

karl joins us now. what more do we know about what happened to those on board this particular boat?>> well, dell, the survivors who managed to be taken on board the maltese rescue vessel and brought into the harbor here in the center of the mediterranean relayed their stories of the events which unfolded on the mediterranean sea about two weeks ago. therefore, some aledging that a libbian gun boat actually opened fire, leading them to capsize and throw everybody overboard. now not many of them new how to swim, and 200 unfortunately parished. this is not the first incident in the mediterranean where we had such a high number of victims who have parished at sea being migrants as they look for beater future in europe, but this is also an eye opener of what is to come, because those migrants are syrian refugees. they are look for a better future in europe, passing through north africa, leaving the libbian shores and finding themselves victims to human traffickers who take all of the money they have, and when they are out at sea they attempt to steal from them once again. you have an act

abc's jonathan karl tried to find out if the u.s. friendly nations. >> reporter: we're listening in on the phone conversations of friendly heads of state? >> again, jon, i'm not going to speak about alleged reported intelligence gathering operations. >> no answer on if the program is ongoing. the head of nsa denied reports of the u.s. spying on french and spanish citizens. those nations were collecting the phone records, not the u.s. >>> the delta airlines pilot due in federal court today to face sexual misconduct charges. the alleged incident took place last weekend on a flight from detroit to salt lake city. michael james pascal was a passenger on the flight. he was seated next to a 14-year-old girl. when he woke up from a nap, he was groping her backside. he claims his hand fell into the seat. the airline says, it's fully cooperating with law enforcement in this matter. >>> we have some breaking news overnight from south carolina. four adults and two children have been found dead in an apparent murder/suicide. the tragedy unfolded

back with us once again, karl rove.cretary there, sort of falling on her sword in a way saying, yes she's responsible but it is, it's called obamacare. how much of the president's personal prestige is riding on what we heard today, karl? >> a lot. it does bear his name. and as a result, if there are, if there are problems with its implementation, there are going to be borne on the front steps of the white house. look, the president has a bigger problem than just the website. he has misled the american people with a series of statements about this. monday nbc news came out and said, jeez, here's a revelation, the administration was told in advance people would not be able to keep their existing coverage. i devoted my column on thursday this issue in the "wall street journal" tomorrow morning. this is not a surprise. the at administration knew from letters from the cbo, in december of 2009, february of 2010, and actuaries at hhs in april of 2010, that people were going to be losing their coverage. millions of people would

jonathan karl, abc news, the white house. >>> and all those house members make those trips back home. president obama will also be at home. the white house has announced last night that president obama will skip his planned trip to asia next week. >> the president had hoped to attend two economic summits. but he decided to remain in washington. a spokesman says it's a missed opportunity to increase u.s. exports because of the shutdown. >>> we want to know what you want to say to lawmakers about the shutdown. send us an instagram video with the #tellwashington. >>> nebraska, one tornado overnight. one likely twister was spotted near lincoln. it may have been on the ground for as much as 30 miles. police say one home was destroyed. >>> people along the gulf coast are bracing for tropical storm karen. they taking boats out of the water, tying anything that could blow away. and shock stocking up on supplies. jim dickey. jim? >> karen, drifting off to the north. it's fighting off dry air, fighting shear. not all that likely it becomes a hurricane. if it does, a minimal hurricane. before it

jonathan karl has been talking to his sources. >> reporter: in washington peace could be at hand. democratic and republicans leaders in the senate have struck a tentative deal that would end the shutdown and prevent default. there is no guarantee that republicans in the house will go along. it's hard to imagine these guys would like what they see. at least mt. rushmore re-opened today, the state of south dakota footing the bill until politicians get their act together in washington. government buildings are still closed and trashing piling up. the government shutdown now in week three. after a furious day of closed door meetings on capitol hill, a tentative deal is at hand. it would re-open the government but only until january 15th and avoid default but just for now, extending the government's ability to borrow money until mid-february. the first sign of hope came this afternoon when the top democrat and top republican in the senate stopped calling each other names. >> we have had an opportunity over the last couple of days to have some very constructive exchanges. >> i deeply ap

we'll talk to jon karl about that. >> see if the senate says. first woman to hold that kind of position. >>> let's get right to the government shutdown and its impact on the families of these american servicemen and women you're seeing. the ultimate sacrifice. the so-called death benefits cut off to families of those fallen soldiers. abc's jim avila is in washington with much more on this. good morning, jim. >> reporter: good morning, robin. sick children that can't get into clinical trials. capitol cops working out pay. and now, fallen heroes without family death benefits. they paid the ultimate price. but families of the war dead are being asked to suffer even more, due to the government shutdown. at the top of the list of things not working, for now nine days of shutdown, is what the pentagon calls the death gratuity. a $100,000 death payment to families of war dead. they're supposed to receive within three days of the death of their loved one. but that's now held up in political red tape. >> i'm ashamed. i'm embarrassed. all of us should be.

. >>> let's get more from jonathan karl. jon, no surprise, the disgust with washington just keeps piling up. >> reporter: that's right. and republicans are taking most of the blame. but the president isn't doing that well, either. take a look at the latest poll from the associated press. the president's approval rating at 37%. that matches his lowest ever. as for congress, look at this. 5% approve of congress's job performance. george, with the margin of error, that could be as low as 1%. >> you'd think they'll be scrambling for a solution. >> reporter: that's right. i am hearing more talk of proposals about a short-term increase in the debt ceiling, just really delaying all of this, but george, the president invited all of the house republicans to the white house tomorrow. they refused, said they would only send the leaders. that prompted a sharp response from the press secretary, saying the president thought it was important to talk directly to the members who forced this economic crisis on the country. this does not sound

abc's jonathan karl has more on the fallout. >> reporter: the stock market slid further. the dow dropping nearly 700 points in just 2 weeks. as washington's dysfunction spooks investors. and for good reason. the treasury department warned of an unprecedented and catastrophic financial crisis and recession that could echo the events of 2008 or worse. if congress fails to raise the so-called debt ceiling to allow the government to borrow money to pay its bills. >> the longer this goes on, the worse it will be. and it makes no sense. >> reporter: at a campaign-style event, president obama lashed out at republicans in the house, demanding they vote on a bill to fund the government with no strings attached. >> if the speaker of the house, john boehner, simply lets the bill get on the floor for an up or down vote, the shutdown would end today. the only thing that is keeping the government shut down. >> reporter: republicans have voted to reopen parts of the government, including national parks and cancer research. but they continue to demand at least some changes to the health

here's abc news chief white house correspondent jonathan karl. >> reporter: president obama today placed blame for the shutdown entirely on speaker of the house john boehner. >> the reason that speaker boehner hasn't called a vote on it is because he doesn't apparently want to see the government shutdown end at the moment. >> reporter: speaker boehner told george stephanopoulos a bill to fund the government cannot pass unless it includes changes to obama care. >> there are not the votes in the house to pass. >> reporter: by abc news news's count there are enough votes. with 217 needed to pass, all 200 house democrats plus 18 republicans have said publicly they would vote to fund the government with no strings attached. but in just ten days, congress faces an even more frightening deadline. it must raise the amount the government can borrow, or america will go into default. on that the two sides are as far apart as ever. >> we are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase. i told the president there is no way we're going to pass when the votes are not in the house to pass a clean debt

joining us from austin, texas, fox's analyst karl rove. so, why, mr. rove?people can do it. i mean, senator coburn's investigation, they randomly chose 300 applications that had been approved and found evidence in a quarter of them that there was fraud. i mean the case that coburn put the spotlight on involved an administrative law judge who is the person who has to grant these applications who is in bed with an attorney who had a mill that literally prepared these applications, bought off doctors, five doctors in order to give the diagnosis and then they coordinated their schedules and this administrative law judge just, you know, rubber stamped these politics. >> every one, 100% in west virginia. threes the attorney. >> let's be honest -- let's be fair to him. out of nearly 1400 he did disallow 4. >> 4. >> this is -- 4. this is probably what brought him to the attention of the inspectors at the social security administration because it was such an anomaly but the lawyer got paid nearly $5 million. the judge may have gotten paid $2 million. they put a lot o

the clock is running out. >> with a minute by minute, jonathan karl at the white house, thank you. even as we hear news about those negotiations, we are also hearing more stories about suffering inflicted by the shutdown on american people. abc's senior national correspondent jim avila with an outrageous reality. >> reporter: meet maddie major, she is 8 years old and suffers from a rare form of leukemia, her battle for life threatened each day by the lingering shutdown. >> it's the most devastating thing in the world to know that there could potentially be a cure for her, but because of a stalemate in the government, we can't research those options, it's mind blowing. >> reporter: maddie and 400 of the sickest americans can't get cutting edge experimental care at the national institutes of health, because the government shutdown prevents nih from accepting new patients. maddie's mom has a message for congress. >> spend a day with a family like me. and see if you still think that your agenda is appropriate for what we are dealing with. >> reporter: this is maddie. she is 8 years old

neither one of them willing to budge. >> jonathan karl at the white house again tonight. now we want to bring you up to date on the first week of obama care. the government website giving americans insurance options. the department of health and human services secretary said today the average wait time has now been cut in half and hundreds of thousands of americans have gone online to create new accounts even if they have not yet chosen a plan. >>> tonight the u.s. says it is trying to learn the secrets held by an al qaeda terrorist held on a u.s. battle ship at sea. the man seized in that bold raid in libya. martha raddatz has been talking to our sources she's here with the latest. >> reporter: the most urgent information they want to get from liby is whether there are anymore attacks planned. right now a team of interrogators is on the ship with him. they cannot use torture or degrade him but they can play good cop bad cop, threaten him with very serious legal action and try to wear him down, although they have to give him four hours' sleep every 24 hours. but meanwhile

>> jonathan karl reporting at the white house tonight. >>> and we want to turn next to some very lateing news right now. a verdict in the michael jackson trial, a civil trial asking the question what is to blame for jackson's death, his private demons or pressure from the company behind his concert. david wright is standing by. >> reporter: this trial dragged out five months, more than 50 witnesses heard from and in the end it took the jury less than 14 hours to decide and they decided essentially in favor of aeg ruling that while aeg did hire michael jackson's doctor, jackson's death. this evening the jury rejected the jackson family's claim that aeg live was somehow responsible for the king of pop's death. >> we of course are not happy with the result as it stands now. >> reporter: the jury foreman said it wasn't an easy decision. it was a battle over what happened in thek rehearsals, the last of michael jackson's career. he was trying to dance his way out of debt, under serious pressure and strug out on instructions administered by his doctor, conrad murray. >> we the jury find the

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karl rove, i got to wrap it up there. thank you. we see you again soon. >>> the head of one of america's biggest retail chains now warning that the government shutdown is wreaking havoc on low-income americans. family dollar ceo howard levine saying, quote, the threat of the shutdown, the uncertainty regarding some of the government os cyst tans that our consumers impact the uncertainty around job growth, are very real to our customer every day. over half of our customers are on government, some sort of government assistance, out there. end quote. liz is my guest. how do you react to mr. levine's comment? >> he's a perfect weather vane for what's going on with this uncertainty because he's a guy who has a company, 7,000 stores, with half of his customers needing some type of government assistance so they're looking for bargains. when he starts to see sales drop that becomes an issue. so these people who are either on government assistance, some of them perhaps work for the furloughed, this is a serious discussion about what is reall

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he will have him talk about karl icon.dstanding we have seen in the media and why he is doing it. stay tuned for charlie. dagen: and "bad grandpa" set for release this weekend. johnny knoxville, spike jones behind it. some high expectations. connell: some high expectations. the nfl will play more games on thursday night. how do we know? we will keep talking about it. the idea of changing the thursday lineup, now there is more to it apparently. he will talk about that. what about the 10-year note? dagen: not even close. connell: no. ♪ when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: he the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, whe experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never

and he had karl behind him.s that were -- >> and there is another interesting what if for you. they both ran in '94. jeb ended up making this critical mistake in the -- close to the end of the '94 race, he ended up narrowly losing and had to run again. if jeb and george had both won in '94, it is very interesting to see within the discussions of the bush family who would be running in 2000, because jeb was definitely the more policy -- >> always looked like jeb and jeb ran against lawton chiles, this character who that this slogan he adopted in 2000, the hecoon always walks at midnight. made sense in florida. and jeb bush -- >> the negative ad back fired on him. >> just the one thing i would add about this book, we talked about bush and cheney, but this seems to tell the arc of the difference between the first term and the second term. bush came in with 9/11 and relied heavily on cheney's advice during that period. but as he spent more time in the presidency, he became closer and closer to condoleezza rice, whic

we will show you karl rove 40 years ago when he was unrecognizable under all that hair.nd tell you what republicans new strategy is for young voters. hint, obama care of course. the texas attorney general says texas needs a crazy new voter i.d. law to stop voter fraud. but his own statistics show there really is no voter fraud in texas. and in the "rewrite" exactly one republican senator traveled up the road to new jersey from washington to campaign against cory booker. and now senator-elect cory booker says he wants to work with that republican senator. will cory booker and rand paul become the senate's batman and robin fighting against the war on drugs? and yes, rand paul would definitely be robin. ooh, homemade soup! yeah... [ male announcer ] campbell's homestyle soup with farm grown veggies. just like yours. huh. [ male announcer ] and roasted white meat chicken. just like yours. [ male announcer ] you'll think it's homemade. i love this show. [ male announcer ] try campbell's homestyle soup. [ ding ] i sense you've overpacked, your stomach. try pepto to-go. it's pe

karl rove joins us, nice to see you, karl. >> great to see you. >> do we get out of this mess? >> well, look, the first question is not as much of a consequence as the second. the poll had the republicans being blamed by a 39-36 margin versus the democrats. but compare that to 1995 where there was a 19% disadvantage for the republicans, not a 3% disadvantage. >> and why the difference? >> i think a couple of reasons, one, the biggest one is that the president was more unpopular than bill clinton. he was reasonably popular, seen as somebody trying to solve the problem. this president is a highly polarizing figure with negative ratings. remember, people looked forward to him being somebody who would cooperate, negotiate, lead by bringing consensus. less than half of the american people believe it today. 40% of people who believed he would bring us together, do not believe that now. and that is not strong. >> how do we get out of this mess? >> look, i don't understand why the president didn't take what the house got last night. i don't understand why harry reid didn't take what th