. >> at the time karl ikahn was talking about making an offer suppose he had done that would you have started another company? >> if somebody had done that very likely i would have started another company. >> in the computer area or technology area? >> not going to say what the company would be, but likely in the computer area. that's what i love. that's what i know. >> in the philanthropy area is most in the united states or some outside? how do you decide how much to putin the united states? >> started in the united states but has been expanding around the world. we have been very active in india and also in south africa. and we continue to expand what we do. again, the focus on children and urban poverty. we have done a lot in the education sector using insights that we gain from the dell experience in terms of how do you use data and knowledge to inform progress? so for example in education there is a standard that's been adopted by over half the states here in the u.s. called ed fi which is a way of normalizing all of the information that a district may have about a student's per