>> one times i was working for karl lagerfeld and i was working with with [indiscernible] and it was rl's first, his first designs for clothing company. and it was so funny. we were up in a chateau and we were out in the woods with a beautiful girl and we took scissors and we cut the clothes up and we put them back together using all kinds of things. we meet two guys who were hitchhiking on the road, who were in the french army and we put them in the pictures. we went back and i saw karl and i said you're going to be upset. clothes. your he said you're the photographer, that's okay. >> that's a great story. different fashion people like karl lagerfeld have different things they want in picture. >> totally. it's always the photographer's fault, you know what i mean. >> you don't see what they expect you to see. >> right or if it's not successful it's the photographer's fault. it's usually the photographer's or the hairdresser's fault. it's never the model, it's never the weather, it's never anything. and but they're all very strict. when i first started working for ralph lauren, that w