it gets back to karl popper's 1945 paradox of tolerance.t the speech of certain individuals and to, to make it more difficult for people to speak openly and honestly and for sincere inquirers to ask questions. and so the question is — what kind of institution, what is the purpose of the university, what kind of institutions do we want to have? and i think that it's pretty clear to me we should have truth—based institutions. jonathan haidt, the social psychologist at nyu says you either have social justice institutions or you have truth—based institutions. let's broaden this out beyond the field of universities and the campus, let's talk about society and culture as a whole. you appear to be saying there is some sort of free—speech crisis. that people like you with your message about what is happening in culture are being censored, no—platformed, that your voice is somehow being controlled, restricted diminished. i see absolutely no evidence of that. no, let's clarify that. i have a very large platform. i don't feel, i'm sitting talking to y

i think that is a false i dichotomy, it is not a question of nuance it gets faxed to karl popper enterslimit the speech of certain individuals and to, to make it more difficult for people to speak open and honestly for sincere enquiries to ask questions. the question is what kind of institution, what is the purpose of the university, what kind of institutions do we want to have? it is clear to me we should have truth based institutions, a psychologist at nyu city either have social justice institutions or based institutions.— institutions. let's broaden this out beyond _ institutions. let's broaden this out beyond the - institutions. let's broaden this out beyond the field l institutions. let's broaden| this out beyond the field of universities on campers and talk about society and culture as a whole. you appear to be saying there is some sort of free—speech crisis, that people like you with your message about what is happening and culture are being censored, no platform, your voice is somehow being controlled, restricted diminished. isee being controlled, restricted diminished. i see n

karl. yes. i'll give an abbreviated summary. it's a wonderful relationship, and it continued on until their deaths. so this is a long term relationship. but popper is austrian philosopher of science, often associated the doctrine of falsification ism that scientific theories make make falsifiable hypotheses season that that is constant challenge of scientific reasoning is is that you want to put claims that can be proven wrong by by evidence. that's what science does that's what makes it different from theology. one could draw that kind contrast so or freud or marx so we're open ended predict. well the revolution is supposed to come right? it hasn't come yet. well, you just got to give it more time. yeah, okay. that that that's not it. pretends be science, but it's not really science. so popper gives a paper at hayek's seminar. they didn't know each other in vienna, but hayek had learned about popper's from his friend habila, who was in vienna. and he said, you have this guy in for your seminar, give his his, his seminar. they meet each other and then some little correspondence. but hayek ends up i'm sorry. popper up going to new zealand he to g