karl rove. carl, what do you think of my theory in line with the president's? these guys shouldn't take any breaks if they can't get anything done? >> well they ought to stay at. there may be a point if they actually make progress where a working group that is trying to cobble this together need as week or two of hard work on its own and they may be able to let other members who are not part of that working group go home. but you know, i want to go back for just a minute to something that adam talked about, and you alluded to, next book there will be a vote moving, procedural vote on moving to repeal, straight repeal of obamacare and there are some republicans who said they may not vote for that. trish: that's right. >> for a minute, let's think about this, there may be a lot of democrats say we'll vote to proceed to that, in order to demonstrate that the republicans can't pull together votes to repeal it like they did two years ago. so that, the vote to proceed may actually get a lot of democrats saying i'm not voting to repeal obamacare, but i want every repu

uniteunitedhealth higher, karl rove is joining me now. great to have you on. >> i think that republicans were better off passing a bill, even if it was imperfect as long as it was moving in the right direction, incremental progress, come back and keep working at it. but that would be better than where they are, which not taking up something in the senate. i agree with the speaker, if the republicans are not able to demonstrate they can govern, they will pay a price at the polls next year. liz: price paid in the stock market if they don't get a move on with the tax cuts. hope of tax cuts baked in. ronald reagan signed a tax cut by august of his first year in office, obama got 830 stimulus too. tax cuts are about that wil that will spending -- capital spending,? >> bush had his tax cuts in pay of 2001, they have to get going on this, retro active to beginning of this calendar year. otherwise we'll not have economic growth by the midterms. causing the republicans to pay a price. donald trump was elected because people wanted change. what was

joining us right now is fox news contributor karl rove. former white house deputy chief of staff and senior advisor to president george w. bush. good to see you, karl. thank you very much for weighing in. >> you bet. thanks for having me. >> your reaction? >> well, look, clearly president trump had lost confidence in his press secretary. i thought sean spicer handled his departure in a really classy way. president trump said he wanted him to stay on but in a subordinate position but sean spicer said i think you have too many cooks in the kitchen. it would be better if i went. i thought that was very classy. i know anthony scaramucci as you know him. he has a lot of pizazz, a lot of personality, he's a scrapper. he's a fighter. he's a kid who came from a modest background. his dad was a sand miner out on long island digging sand out of pits to build a concrete monsters in manhattan. and he has never gotten anything easy. and he built a big successful business. and he's a scrapper. and he's good. he's good on television. he's good explaining

karl rove is here with his take. that's after the break. .: here's another look at the records on wall street. all three major averages closing at new highs. the dow led higher by shares of boeing, adding 144 points to the blue chips. without it, the dow would have been in the red on the day. david: interesting. republican senator from maine, susan collins, and democratic senator from rhode island, jack reed, were caught on a hot mic listen to how they were slamming the president. both she and the democrat. listen. . david: of course, susan collins was one of seven senators who just voted against an out-and-out repeal of obamacare, simple repeal of obamacare. she and john mccain and others voted against it. karl rove joins us with what it means, of course, a former deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and fox news contributor. karl, simple question, why is susan collins a republican? >> well, she votes for tax cuts. david: not always. >> well, she supported every supreme court nominee of george w. bush and donald j. trump, i'm no

karl rove chief of staff for george w. bush. you're not the most comparable in d.c. you as an outside guy. >> i live in westlake, they call me a texan. austin, texas. >> bill: i'm sure you have boots on below the desk. i want you to analyze the first six months. >> your six months and come it not a major piece has been passed. your big policy guy. is that an issue or not? >> yes, it is. by comparison, at this point, george w. bush had passed tax cuts and may. by this point, president obama had passed a stimulus bill. bill clinton had a first year that had a lot of items, many medium ranked and controversial by february he had the family leave act, he had big tax increase in spending bill in august. the brady gun control bill. they were not necessarily popular to the american people, but he got them through. it is a problem for the republicans. voters are looking at it and saying, we elected a republican president, republican senate and house, we want you to get things done. the big expectations are, you're getting repeal and replace obamacare, and you will reform the

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is the republican congress hopeless karl rove writing as an optimist and only an optimist can view thehis way, i'm hoping this plays out like a made for tv drama. the protagonist appears near certain death at the commercial break but it saved when everyone returns with popcorn after the final geico advert it's a good read he's critical of the republicans for not achieving much, but hopeful that it comes around and comes back together. made for tv drama. i suppose donald trump would hope this particular episode is not reality tv and will get to conclusi conclusion >> truth is stranger than fiction. you can't write this stuff miraculous time we're living through in washington. my pick is in the "wall street journal. a bad gop dream. it explains the ten state attorney generals have written to jeff sessions requesting an end to an obama program called deferred action for childhood arrivals, it allows children of illegal immigrants to remain in the u.s. as long as they're lawful sit zicitizens it says trump has been measurable and charitable to this group, calling them amazing kids the edit

karl rove fox news contributor. carl, good to see you tonight want you were listening to senator rand paul p you saw what happened on the hill today. what do you make of all this? >> well this is one of either two things, this is either a car crash being played out in slow motion in front of us with a lot of victims or this is one of those moments in a mini drama where you have the cliff hanger and then in the next episode things turn around. we don't know which. but i will say this, if the mindset of the group of people who opposed bringing up the repeal and replace legislation remains that of senator paul then this is gonna be the car crash. think about what he just said. he said i don't care whether this gets rid of the employer mandate and the individual mandate. i don't care if it kills all of the taxes under the affordable care act. i don't care if it phases out the expansion of medicaid and gives us the first significant entitlement reform in some 30 some odd years. i don't care. it has to either be perfect o

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tonight, karl rove's former deputy chief of staff. he did that under george w.ews political contribute appeared carl, you have a unique perspective on this. you've been in the halls and worked there. when you look at the back and forth that we have seen over the course of this week, what you are about today in "the wall street journal," then a particular this story that broke tonight, what you make of it? >> i wrote my piece for this morning's journal, he went to bed -- it was focused on sessions, and i thought he was first of all being mistreated by the president, and i thought the president was acting stupidly. if he removes jeff sessions, there will be hell to pay for the next six months or longer. if you think the last six months of press have been bad for president trump, tried pushing through a message about his agenda when the democrats -- first of all you have difficulty finding somebody, then the nomination, confirmation would be horrendous and go on and months and months. i was writing about something i thought was problematic for the administration an

. >> bret: for more analysis on this white house shakeup, karl rove, deputy chief of staff to george w. bush, he joins us from austin, texas. your thoughts on this breaking news, it happened just before 5:00. >> president trump has had the shortest survey national security advisor in american history and is now the shortest serving chief of staff in american history. previous record holder was kim duberstein, she served less than six months under ronald reagan. now reince priebus is just over six months. a change in the white house. at the question will be what kind of authority has general kelly been given? my suspicion is he did not take that job without an understanding of what kind of authority he would have. the west wing is a very hard-working, fast-moving place. complicated in the best of times and can't be run without having a chief of staff who's got hiring and firing in the west wing and control over direct reports. the president should have people who can walk in and out of the oval but average of work for the chief of staff and a process that best serves the president. my

karl rove, thank you. >> melissa: the presidents daughter ivanka retaining a attorney.e coming back with all of the developments. you don't let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you. >> a hearing on the foreign agents registration act and senate committee after democrats use a delay tactic to combat the health care vote. >> it was cut short up to two hours because of this procedural move. and we have some of the highest profile witnesses to the russian investigation here today. who was behind this trump dossier, trying to push off testimony until sometime in the fall or avoided altogether. >> the republicans try to turn the tables on democrats saying they are always trying to talk about the trump team. they pointed to hillary clinton forgot information from a longtime confidant who was effectively on the payroll of foreign governments feeding information to her. >> the justice department did not explain why

iraq, he was sort of a big govnment republican for a lot of time but conservatives were afraid of karl rove and they wanted to support a republican president so they kinda pulled their punches and then harriet miers kinda came along and katrina and these other disasters, that's when they eventually started to turn on bush and i think some of us were chastened by that experience and vowed never to let it happen again. - got it. i'm told we're out of time, but this is fun to have this conversation, matt, and to get your perspective on all this stuff and congratulations on your success, i look forward to seeing you on tv and elsewhere. my pleasure. - matt lewis, thanks very much. (audience applauds) - [announcer] we'd love to have you join us at the studio. visit our website at klru.org/overheard to find invitations to interviews, q&as with our audience and guests and an archive of past episodes. - if you're a conservative, there's the, is trump gonna be a liberal or a conservative? and that's a real battle taking place 'cause frankly, we don't know what he is, we don't know, he's been all ove

karl rove described this president this week as vindictive, impulsive and shortsighted and his criticism of the attorney general is unfair, unjustified, unseemly and stupid. and one of the most tranl you and profoundly misguided courses of presidential conduct that i have witnessed in five decades in and around the nation's capital. a new pew study--trump's presidency has made the u.s. something worse than feared or divided, it has becomer relevant. it not that trump is deeply unpopular. the 22 approval, compared to obama's 64% at the end of his presidency, that was to be expected. but on the question of confidence of various leaders to do the right thing, xi jinping got more -- this says a lot of the about trump, but it says a lot about merkel's helpation. facing the challenges of trump, brexit and populism, support for europe among it residents has risen and plans to deep on european aggression is on the way. as it institutes protection--combined -- emanuel macron, it's economy has rebo d rebounded and is now growing as fast as that of the united states. companies from canada to china

karl rove weighs in next hour on that. peter morici says america's top tech companies are not dominating the economy. roll tape. >> i think if we go back to the '80s and think about the roll and capitalization of the oil companies and general motors, and ge combined together f we go back to the turn of the century, remember those guys at standard oil? my feeling is they're not dominating the economy. this is diverse group of companies that are doing a lot of interesting things and putting heat on incumbent competitors. it says something about the gang of general motors and ford when alphabet can threaten them by saying i'm going to build a car. ♪ (baby crying) (slow jazz music) ♪ fly me to the moon ♪ and let me play (bell ringing) (audience cheering) stuart: amazon stories for you. several of them. first up, blue apron gets amazonnized. amazonned. there you go. amazon has talk of launching a rival service to blue apron. look at it go down 9%. avis -- teams up with alexa. can rent a car through the echo, amazon related stor

>> hillary clinton only deleted personal emails as karl rove and lots of other people deleted rnc emailsomey said they were classifyed. >> james comey did not say they were classifyed. >> yes, he did. >> personnel emails were deleted. >> i am on a hard break. >> should hillary clinton have been indicted? >> of course not. >> [overlapping talking]. >> i rest my case. >> [overlapping talking] >> we have an investigation. john solomon spying abuses under the obama administration. we will continue straight ahead. there's nothing more important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel, i want someone who makes it easy. booking.com gets it. and with their price match, i know i'm getting the best price every time. visit booking.com. booking.yeah! tha...oh, burnt-on gravy?ie. ...gotta rinse that. nope. no way. nada. really? dish issues? throw it all in. new cascade platinum powers through... even burnt-on gravy. nice. cascade. tap one little bumper and up go your rates. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mu

bush karl rove is with us. stay with us. right here at technology events in focus.twitter with second-quarter reporting this morning. analysts looking for earnings of 5 cents a share. investors will be watching for growth of the user base your twitter surprise last quarter and a 9 million active users easily be in a .3 billion users expected. meanwhile, shares of facebook. second-quarter earnings beat expert patients. stock is up three and three quarters%. the company reported $1.32 a share. being a flax as it does. good to see you. thanks for joining us. let's talk about technology earnings so far. how would you characterize this? >> if you look at the big tech giant coming to google, facebook, microsoft with very good earnings. what is most important is if you step back on the key trends and technology industry, you have trends around cloud, mobility, social. we look for companies that have been able to build platforms. digital assets enabled these companies to translate revenue into earnings and cash flow growth. when we think about earnings over the coming weeks

>> hillary clinton only deleted personal emails as karl rove and lots of other people deleted rnc emails>> james comey said they were classified. >> james comey did not say they were classified >> yes, he did. >> personnel emails were deleted. >> i am on a hard break. >> should hillary clinton have been indicted? >> of course not. >> [overlapping talking]. >> i rest my case. >> [overlapping talking] >> we have an investigation. john solomon spying abuses under the obama administration. we will continue straight ahead. nexium can take 24 hours. when heartburn strikes, take zantac for faster relief than nexium or your money back. take the zantac it challenge. deliit's perfection.ruit. seriously? an epic soundtrack? is there any other way? that's what a smoothie should taste like. visit a store today for fresh fruit smoothies and summer deals. i'm leaving you, wesley. but why? you haven't noticed me in two years. i was in a coma. well, i still deserve appreciation. who was there for you when you had amnesia? you know i can't remember that. stop this madness. if it's appreciation you want yo

former democratic congressman one in woman jane harman and go strategist karl rove. how much trouble is this president in and is general kelly the man to get them out o it? >> he's in a lot of trouble thi week. it was the most tumultuous week. he faces for challenge. for some of the decision-making process is broken. he was one of the first victims of it when he braced objections which were not taken into account with the first travel ban. he's got this issue of access. this president is that going to end the practice of allowing people to flow in and out of th white house. most presidents allow that. the question is busy going to b pulled to an axis oval office -- oval office to cause things hav gone to the normal arrangement is going to have to deal with staff members who could not be fired, son-in-law and daughter, and in other couple that the people inside the white house. he is going to have to reduce the trauma, both the sniping within and dixon bring discipline to the relationships between this white house. of never seen anything like it in my life of a white

you probably violate coordination laws if this had been a group run by karl rove or some other american any guy with the campaign to coordinate with the campaign much, much more of a problem. i think the lawyers of the campaign were well aware of this and probably donald trump back in june when this happened. >> there's no evidence at all that the president knew about the meeting before he says he knew about it or then in june what happened in 2016. andre, to you, there have been this increasing number of calls from democrats on the hill to revoke jared kushner's security clearance. we know that his form has been amended several times now adding 100 contacts with people from at least 20 countries? if this clearance was given based on that information and the information changes, is that revocation something that should be considered? >> well, everything should be considered. i think the democrats are putting a lot of eggs in one basket. athink they may be missing the boat. i think if you look back at the clinton investigation and look back at nixon, there are missed opportunities where

the chaos is at such a fever pitch that one stalwart republican karl rove described the president this week as vindictive, impulsive and short-sighted and his public shaming of the attorney general as "unfair, unjustified, unseemly and stupid." another republican, kenneth starr, the one-time grand inquiz tor of bill clinton, went further, calling trump's treatment of jeff sessions "one of the most outrageous and profoundly misguided courses of presidential conduct i have witnessed in five decades in and around the nation's capital." but there is a larger aspect to the fall in respect for america. according to a recent pew research center study of 37 countries, people around the world increasingly believe that they can make do without america. trump's presidency has made the u.s. something worse than feared or derided. it is becoming irrelevant. the most fascinating finding of the pew survey was not that trump is deeply unpopular. 22% approval compared to obama's 64% at the end of his presidency. that was to be expected. but that there are now alternatives. on the questions of confidenc

karl rove on all of that and this change in posture on the part of the white house. full court press to get something done, what do you make of it, karl? >> smart move. it was very problematic to sort of say, look, we know the affordable care act is collapsing. let it collapse. when it does then we'll try to do something at some indeterminate day in the future. in the meantime people would blame republicans for everything bad that happened with the law. not because they believe we were responsible for passing it, they know republicans didn't vote for it. but we're the party in power, republicans hold the house, the senate, and the white house. they expect to us solve problems. this is increasingly a big problem for the 7% of the american population that is covered by the affordable care act. >> neil: what happens here, problematic, coming up with an alternative. now they talk about how difficult just to agree on a repeal effort. but early next week they will have such a vote. at least three prominent senators who are against that we know. and maybe more. is it the str

>> harris: if that is a case where senator rand paul is, karl rove had a good question this morning, if it is not perfect, can you still go forward? maybe you do not get a complete rip the band-aid off, but does that mean that the doctors are not going to do surgery in -- on the patient? >> ron: this is not a perfect bill. i would rather have a partial repeal then no repeal at all. so paul is saying do exactly what we said. my view is if it is not possible to do 100%, i will take 75%. >> harris: do you think you can convince him? >> ron: no. >> jessica: i think that everybody is spinning the message the way they want to present it. i guess that is politics, but chuck schumer is saying that we are cutting into medicaid. everybody knows that that is a complete lie, not cutting medicaid by passing the bill. all it would do it slow the growth over time, and rand paul is wrong, we are not creating a huge super fun, we are trying to figure out a way to pay for the most expensive peoples -- you are not going to pay for themselves. if they had no insurance, they were going to the hospital, a

. >> -- did not indict karl rove even though some of his fbi agents wanted him to. >> you mentioned therongly worded op-ed can shake washington to its core. matt miller, before i let you go, i got to read to you senator mark warner basically says pardoning individuals who may have been involved in this would be crossing a fundamental line. he's obviously trying to draw a line, and it is possible to abuse the pardon power, but does that strike you as potentially an overstatement when this is a power the president has to use? >> it's a power he has to use but he can't use it inappropriately. i think what he was doing with that interview, you know, when he attacked mueller and what these leaks of him contemplating the pardsen power are doing is testing the boundaries of what he can get away with. firing jim comey is a red line, and he go the away with it. i think what he's doing through these leaks is testing when republicans in congress are going to stand up and say no, and say this is an impeachable offense. we've heard a lot of silence since that pardon leak floated yesterday. if you're

congresswoman jane harman, director of the woodrow wilson center and gop vat gist carl -- strategist karl rovew much trouble is this president? >> well, he's in a lot of trouble this week, it was the most tumultuous week of a tumultuous presidency, and kelly faces four challenges. first of all, the decision-making process inside the white house is broken. it is not to disciplined, it's not focused, it's not deliberative. and he was one of the first victims of it when he raised objections which were not taken into account with the first travel ban. he's got this issue of access. this president's not going to end the practice of allowing people to flow in and out of the white house. most presidents allow that. the question is, is kelly going to be able to stop people from using their access to the oval office to end run the policy process, to cause things to happen that have not gone through the normal ranks? he's going to have to deal with a couple of staff members who can't be fired, son-in-law and daughter, and maybe a couple of other protected people inside the white house, scaramucci, for e

same thing with karl rove and george w. bush. presidents that have used this kind of ad hoc, multipower center style of staffing usually get into trouble. that probably put toos much blame on simple structural staffing issues. at the end of the day, the disfidi disfunction in the white house is about donald trump. color me skeptical, i'm a little skeptical, bringing in any single staffer can fix what's wrong over there. >> you know, we don't know what the chain of command is going to be. but you have to assume that general kelly would have asked about it. and would have asked about who reports to whom, because after all, he is a general. and so you would think that he would. and if we have learned anything about donald trump, we've learned that he doesn't like people whom he considers to be weak. and jeff zeleny talked earlier that he thought reince priebus was weak. one of the reasons he's been so angry at jeff sessions is he recused himself, and he thought that recusal was weak. so he's looking at the general as kind of a stron

to tell the fbi and the doj to investigate card and say that bleeped out thing about bannon about karl rove. think about that. >> i can tell anthony scaramucci exactly how to stop the leakers. you don't need the fbi or the justice department. he talked about ludicrous digital fingerprints which i'm sure is a lie. you stop acting like a bleep hole. i mean, that's how you stop the leakers. i mean they're leaking because they're miserable. >> i think i know what that bleep was covering up. >> i think white house staffers are leaking because they're concerned about the country. >> exactly. >> they're concerned about the health and the -- just the stability of this country. i'll just leave it at that. >> i hope that that's where it is. but i think some of them are more concerned about the stability of the president. >> you said what i was thinking. >> well, why don't you say it? >> i want -- >> speak. speak. >> peter baker said we're sharing. >> this -- >> hang on, let me get -- >> the reason is i don't want this president impeached. i don't want to go through an impeachment. i don't to say he i

valerie plame, he continued to brief john ashcroft about the investigation generally, but also karl rove'sole in the investigation. that was really inappropriate because he was informing ashcroft about stuff that had gotten ashcroft into that position. that is directly analogous to where we are today. would christpher wray brief trump on what is happening on the investigation into trump? that question needs to be asked and answered. you mentioned torture. he is known to have gone to gitmo. he is known to have been involved in torture. but the details about his role in torture are all still redacted. we don't know what the substance of it is. finally, during the period he was the assistant attorney general for criminal division, he oversaw a deal with chiquita, the banana company. chiquita had been maturely supporting characters materially supporting terrorism. the company itself paid a penalty, but no chiquita executive was held accountable for that. ofit is this classic case double standard of justice. as a young muslim and had been found to have done the kind of material support for terr

>> i would like to think that they were that smart and calculating and certainly my friend karl rove was, but he's not in the white house right now. i think that was a change the conversation moment. anytime things aren't going well for you, let's change the conversation, move on to something else, whether it's uncomfortable or not. it also looked like it was a part of a bigger deal on the wall funding. it looked like it had all kind of mechanisms in it and then it was tweeted out. so the policy hadn't been given to the generals yet. the conversation, we're having it this morning, so maybe it does work. i think there's so many things out there right now for the midterms that this might just be one of the tag lines of what you want. the only thing i will give you, they get credit for is anytime a republican president looks like he is undoing something that a democratic president did, the base will probably take it for what it is. i'm not sure how it plays out in the midterms, but there is so much we're going to have in the midterms to talk about that we're going to have to unpack all

>> karl rove and the like will say that will engulf the white house for six months and ruin his agenda. >> right. if he keeps him on, i think what kelly needs to do is refocus the message on things that jeff sessions has done as attorney definitely. going after sanctuary cities, going after ms13, these happen throughout the administration. and if we can try to refocus that message, i think that would be successful. liz: let's take a look at the white house. we are awaiting a statement, live shot there. the white house you're looking at it right now. we are awaiting a statement from the white house on the appointment of general john kelly. unclear whether or not -- moments away we're waiting for that statement it's moments away. it's unclear whether at this point we will hear the president's choice for the replacement of general john kelly at the department of homeland security. usually, we -- takes some days for that to come forth. ed rollins, you know, general john kelly now having to do one-on-one more closely, rather, in the quarters of the white house with the president. a presiden

but the karl rove question that was planted by the republicans to make people who understood science and were concerned about it to look like true believers and the republicans look like the same object to judicious people. we are not believers. and so, the believers are those people because what they believe is the climatic relative climatic stability to produce civilization as we know it, the last 10,000 years is going to continue to persist for centuries ahead. is not one shred of data to support that belief. they are the true believers. not us. we are the skeptics and we are skeptical that there's anything that supports those views. and so, that is, as you saw in maths first chart was the high in the last 125,000 years and it came back up their starting in the 1800 then would pass it in the 20th century, et cetera. so i think what they are saying, the absolute maximum might be tolerable and not completely everything he killed her. as i said, there is no real science to support that contention unless you get back under. what we do know is once you have the 20 year lag. it's got mo

and the people, and that's a karl rove question that was planted by the republicans to make people who understood the science, they were concerned about it, to look like true believers. and the republicans look like sane, objective, you know, judicious people. we're not believers, we are, you know? and so the believers, though, are those people. because what they believe is that the climatic, relative climatic stability that produced civilization as we know it, the holocene period, the last 10,000 years, is going to continue to persist for centuries ahead. there's not one shred of data to support that belief. so they're the true believers, not us. and we're the skeptics. and is we're skeptical that there's anything that supports those views. and so that's the 280. that's, as you saw in that first chart, 285 was the high in the last 125,000 years. and it came back up there starting in the 1800s, you know? and then went past it in the 20th century and etc. so i think what jim haas and others are saying when they talk 350, 280, i mean, they're saying the absolute maximum, you know, that m

"the wall street journal," karl rove writes the main reason that the g.o.p.rty unity and discipline mean nothing to too many republicans in congress, for senators like rand paul, it is their way or the highway. house leadership nearly overcame this within the freedom caucus, however, this disputed senators. joining us now is john soon, he was at the meeting last night, first, what happened there, senator? >> it was a very good discussion, sandra, we had a number of members, senators who were undecided, they haven't gotten a "yes" on any of the versions of bills that have been out there so far, just to talk to the issues. and that was very constructive, very frank it, and we had a lot of questions that were answered, i don't think that we came out of that meeting with a clear plan forward, but i think that we are starting to narrow the gap, in terms of what it is going to take to get 50 republicans to vote for something that's not only repeals but also replaces obamacare. >> sandra: we spoke with tim scott, he said that he left that meeting feeling optimistic,

we're asking karl rove and

karl rove and newt gingrich on what to expect in the coming days, coming up.

>> i would like to think they were that smart and calculating, and my friend karl rove was, but he'se right now. i think that was a change the conversation moment. any time things aren't going well, change the conversation, move onto something else, whether it's uncomfortable or not. it also looked like it was a part of a bigger deal on the wall funding. it looked like it had mechanisms in it, and then it was tweeted out. the policy hadn't been given to the generals yet. the conversation we're having it this morning. maybe it does work. i think there's so many things out there right now for the midterms, this might be one of the tag lines of what you want. the only thing i will give them they get credit for is any time a president looks like he's undoing something a democratic president did, the base will take it for what it is. i'm not sure how it plays out in the midterms. there's so much in the midterm to talk about. we're going to have to unpack it as we get closer. >> but trey, for the religious right and for people who do elections in the south and the red states where donald t