so under those circumstances think karlyn is right. that information as, as we, aging consumers of walter cronkite's nightly news, information in that old-fashioned sense is almost defunct. i hope not permanently but almost. but it doesn't follow from that and this is a little wrinkle that want to put on it. it doesn't follow from that that if it's not information in the old-fashioned sense that changes people's views it must be values. i think there's a third thing. and karlyn hinted at this, namely, experience. right? people will trust the kind of information that comes to them through their own experience of whether something is working or not. and so, i think the question of whether the affordable care act becomes a permanent part of the american policy landscape is entirely contingent at this point, not on what anybody says about it. i don't think an additional word on the subject, even if it is crammed with information will change a single mind. right? when people reflect on this two years from today, what will their experience h

to karlyn, you want to get us started? >> thank you. howard has asked if i set the stage device a few words about tax attitude in the mid 1980s and today. but first i'd like to see a little bit about the polls i watch at aei on many different subjects. there are very useful to understand complex and i don't think they should ever be used to make policy where the issues tax form or a d. grade for the professionalization of college athletics. they are too blunt tools for that purpose. publics rarely ever get specific legislative advice. they start their deliberations about their values. there are other problems in making any kind of sweeping judgments, sweeping assertions from limited amount of public polling data we have in the tax area overall. not only are the response rates of well-designed surveys now around 10% but perhaps more troubling is that many of the major pollsters are no longer updating the valuable trends they've had in pastures in areas such as taxes. they have become the handmaidens of the media delving into the subject

karlyn? >> because those are values. modernization is value and fairness is a value and that is where people are striving so that is why they were received more positively. >> i think you would go further with fairness then you would with reform but i think that there are limits to what framing can accomplish. one thing that we don't know from public opinion research that would take a long time in doing the same experiment is even in my own work when we give people information about the distributed benefits of taxes and it changes the response and in the downgrade their support for tax breaks one thing i'm concerned about is that change ephemeral or something if we asked them a year later or six months later would still stick? it's giving people information that might change their level of support for something and then there is learning. how often does something need to be repeated by members of congress and their president for that piece of information that is attached to the policy ideas to become learned in real and

karlyn, want to get it started? >> i would like to say about the polls i watch at ai on many subjects. i think they are a useful tool to understand things but ankh i don't think they should be used to make decisions. public rarely gives specific legislatorive -- legislative advice. there are other problems with sweeping choices from the data. the response rates of surveys are around 10% but more troubleling is pollsters are not upgrading the valuable trends they had. they have become the hand maidens of the media going in with it is hot and dropping it. half a dozen major pollsters were asking questions about the irs targeting the specific groups but since it faded from the news there has been one question from the irs. now let's turn to 1986 views about tax reform. gene sterling reminds us when ronald rake reagan asked for a study on tax reform congress bursted into laughter. gene went over a number of reasons why he thought tax reform was successful. and he talked about seizing the opportunity. individual tax shel

karlyn, want to get it started? >> i would like to say about the polls i watch at ai on many subjects. i think they are a useful tool to understand things but ankh i don't think they should be used to make decisions. public rarely gives specific legislatorive -- legislative advice. there are other problems with sweeping choices from the data. the response rates of surveys are around 10% but more troubleling is pollsters are not upgrading the valuable trends they had. they have become the hand maidens of the media going in with it is hot and dropping it. half a dozen major pollsters were asking questions about the irs targeting the specific groups but since it faded from the news there has been one question from the irs. now let's turn to 1986 views about tax reform. gene sterling reminds us when ronald rake reagan asked for a study on tax reform congress bursted into laughter. gene went over a number of reasons why he thought tax reform was successful. and he talked about seizing the opportunity. individual tax shel

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