but then you feel so bad what happened to nick and karmen. >> karmen's sister kristin and brother-in-law jim barely had time to process the news about karmen before learning that nick was fighting for his life. they rushed to be at his side. >> we went straight to the hospital. >> you must have been thinking, how could someone stab a 5-year- old, your nephew, approximately 18 times. that's a monster. >> exactly. >> i won't ever forget walking in that hospital room -- sorry. yeah. and you have to come to grips with reality. >> and it was a grim reality. after emergency surgery, nick was in critical condition. he looked so little, so fragile in his hospital bed. >> you never think that you can be touched by something like this when you've got the perfect family. >> he had been stabbed 18 times and had lost a dangerous amount of blood but he survived. nick was going to make it. it was nothing less than a miracle. there was no easy way to tell him about his mom, but he had to know. and even 18 years later, nick remembered it like it was yesterday. >> my dad and my aunt told me that my mom di

this case is about karmen. this case is about nick. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm. thank you for watching. >>> good morning and welcome to this saturday edition of morning joe: weekend. let's get right to some of the conversations from this week that you might have missed. >> what worries me more, not just tucker, that's a symptom of all of this. it is that they are curating ti sympathy in america and they are helping nurture, develop an isolationist when in our country and my party, which i think is very, very dangerous. they're developing people who want to see a nato reduced or ed nato knotted here to. obviously former president trump is pushing this line as well. so, what i very much worry about is, they're helping curate a line of thought, a school of thought that is isolationist, that is pro putin, pro russia, pro tyranny at the end of the day and that is extremely dangerous for all democracy, robut ourselves as a democracy. >> for rogan house speaker paul ryan y.in an interview yesterda with the washington post. you heard ryan mention tucker carlson who,