so he called the president to tell him he had met karol wojtyla, the arch bishop of cack cow and he had been named pope. and president carter has this wonderful quality of being exuberant and exaggerating people's relationships and he got off the helicopter and he came down and the press asked him about how he felt about it and he said, it's just wonderful, the new pope is a very close, personal friend of dr. brajinski and he was slightly embarrassed by that. then he was invited to the white house and it really was a sensational event and i will never forget, it was a gorgeous, gorgeous day and he had on his white robes and the wind caught the back of it and it's kind of a cape and it came up. so it looked like he had a halo, and it was really kind of the beginning of my thoughts about him as a really holy man. i saw him when he came to the's coast another time when he went to san francisco to sell brate the -- celebrate the founding of the united nations. and my last meeting with him was in 1998 and it came about as a result of the fact that the pope had been to cuba and we were very i