is a karpinski? karpinski. and mr. jenkins, the analogy used about if kohl were determined to be found. i used to represent somebody the national park and i can assure you if there was coal found under we wouldn't be going after that it's an unfair comparison should talk about that and anwr. anwr is the poster child then you bring out all the time and i know it's been a good a successful fund-raiser for several decades is the beautiful brooks buying with the der and the elkus and the grizzly bear and the salmon and that should be protected. it is i think correspondingly the other parts of alaska that are protected under the law. that's not anwr. it's an arctic plan. i don't need you to make the point. i was there. you have not been there. >> i have been there and i was on that plane and it was one of the amazing experiences. >> we can agree to disagree. if you cannot drill safely, and this is where the math of comparison analysis gets lost because we are talking about jeweling at 6,000 feet of ocean depths where the co

karpinsky and mr., the analogy used about if coal were determined to be found under el capitan. i used to represent yosemite national park, and i can ensure you if there were cole found under there, we wouldn't be going after that. but i think it's a real unfair to comparison to talk about that and anwr. anwr is not the brooks range. a poster child that you bring out all the time. and i know it's been a good, successful fundraiser for several decades, the beautiful brooks range with the deer and the elk and the grizzly bears and the salmon. and that area was set aside to be protected and should be protected. it is, i think, correspondingly the other parts of alaska that are protected under the wilderness law much that's not anwr. it's an arctic plain. it is an area that is an arctic desert. i don't need to you make a point. i was there. you have not been there. >> i camped on the river, soy been there, and i was on that plain, and it was the most amazing experience i've ever had, so i have been there.

karpinski and thank you all very much for your testimony. we will now begin the round of questioning and i recognize myself for five minutes. i want to make an observation, because we sometimes can't see the forest because of the trees when we talk about american energy. i am very much, and i think probably most people, at least on my side of the aisle, are in favor of an all of the above energy approach. i think the more diversified our portfolio is of energy production, it is best for the consumers. recognizing always at the end of the day, the market will determine what the consumer is going to buy. now, having said that, in my dishes by the way, my district is a big hydropower producer. is one of the largest wind producers in the country. it is an ear power plant. so i'm familiar with alternative sources of energy. but to ignore the vast potential resources that we have of oil, natural gas and coal doesn't make sense from a standpoint of what is affordable energy. and that is really where the debate ought to be, because alaska is sitting