karzai basically said what -- the karzai of today and not the karzai of 2008. it was just you, holbrooke, and also your assistant. and of course you were the one trying to think of peace. karzai was very well managed before 2008 by george bush administration. he was a find -- we even call him a hero. the best president, the best this and that, around the world. and all of a sudden, he became a zero. the reason he was told me -- i asked him, what happened? he said, because i don't get respect from this administration. and that comes back to sovereignty. i took a group of google and youtube to karzai and he was so impressed. my god, those americans are such nice people. he says why the americans have diplomatic, don't behave like google and youtube. >> get rid of that allen guy. >> all right, general. >> the border with pakistan is a very, very difficult piece of terrain. some of the federally administered tribal areas or the provinces on the eastern side of that frontier are very difficult. i'm going to say something about the border shelling and i want to be ve

they respected karzai.here was also a a sense of melancholy on the absence of his presence and that of his governance in their lives in talking about subnational government which we were to so hard to try to develop. it defined my abilities. we can talk about that if you like. they were very proud of him in many ways. they were proud he stood up to the foreigners of which i was one. in regards to the bilateral security agreement which would enshrine, many afghans were horrified that he seemed to be sacrificing their future and not signing an agreement and never fully explaining why were clearly understanding why. in some respects, in terms of a thatmporary legacy, we see much ground was lost by the president in that regard. usually, i believe pakistan will not view the karzai aircraft and relationship -- era and relationship with much nostalgia. karzai's views of pakistan where seldom positive and openly discuss. for many reasons, i think this goes to kai's point about president karzai's journey and persona

like that to karzai. if you are karzai in 2007, you are not putting all this anger public we. yet you are expressing it privately. but not seeing any actions on it. as the general said, the allies are deaf or not doing enough. if part of it is natural, also, that this perception of hypocrisy that karzai had if someone is in power for 12 years, on the other side of the partnership there is a change of administration. that comes a change of policy but one part is the same guy. he perceives that change in this hypocrisy. but there were episodes in private that kept triggering this anger. i'm convinced it is no longer technical antagonism. -- tactical antagonism. it goes back to the general. he knows the united states far better than the united states for some of u.s. officials have known him. and i think it proves a point in the bsa negotiation is that the u.s. threatens with a their option that if you do not sign this, we will full out all troops. yet several months later we see that has not happened. so he

there's a meeting between general abized and president karzai and karzai complains the general that you shouldn't -- why are you helping the warlords causing me trouble? and the response of the general is pretty interesting. he says, well, they're one of us. just like you're one of us. we're not going to be green on green. and it was a term that karzai heard for the first time, a term after the insider attacks would become very common but at the same time it was a that term karzai heard for the first time and the general confirms the anecdote. he remembered saying something like that to karzai. if you're karzai then, you are not putting the anger publicly yet you're expressing it to partners in private. but you're not seeing any actions on it. as they said. the allies are deaf or not doing enough. and if part of it is natural, also, that this perception of hypocrisy of karzai. if somebody's in power for 12 years or so, on the other side of partnership there's a change of administration. and obviously, that comes with change of policy. one partner is the same guy and he perceives that as

the other tricky thing about the is that it's karzai's legacy, not necessarily karzai himself. but i have a feeling it will be in the discussion to separate the man from the legacy. in my own thinking about this, it seems to me that from a point u.s. foreign policy, if not the international community in general, it's been an afghanistanve policy, and we've often more had a policy towards president karzai, which means that the tools and the terms in which we've discussed this policy have sort of psychological almost than diplomatic. president karzai thinking, how can we convince tom do this or that. president karzai lost his mine. featuretheall been president over the last 13 years, and it's a testament in part to the fact that constitutionally the president has immense powers, which means mosthe is obviously the important person in the country to deal with. but it's also a testament to the of almost shakespearean complexity of his leadership and personality. so with that, our panelists i neither tohere praise nor to bury him, but to try to give us an accurate assessment of the

that he was going to be in charge in part because president karzai had decided he was going to be in charge. and knowing that general dustin and mohammed and a another patch in commander that they were all these other players that weren't really happy about that that would have like to either themselves or their own guy to be there that motivated him to serve as an effective governor will to continue to have the support of big government. >> another question talking about the relationship of the government but as i mentioned them major source of money and the major source of coercion was united states and its coalition partners. both of them had developed different kinds of relationships with the international military presence there as well as international civilian presence which is important for us as americans to understand. while people in this country often see warlordism or corruption is an afghan phenomenon and as you know in afghanistan many people say you americans brought this here. you put these people in power. it's your money that created corruption and so on. gul agha

is president karzai's role now?he playing a role in this election and the outcome, good or bad? >> well, according to his own brother, mahmoud karzai, he has been a spoiler. he has been trying to, according to mahmoud, stay in power in that he has created this crisis and manufactured it in a way that would perhaps make it possible for him to continue to stay in power, especially if these two candidates cannot reach an agreement and resolve the problem as it stands right now. so there is a threat, still, that karzai may be manufacturing this particular crisis and may try to take advantage of that in the long run. one hopes that that would not be the case, but, if it is, it, obviously, -- he's willing to be responsible for dragging the country back into a serious crisis. >> brown: andrew, do you see karzai playing a role like that, potentially, a negative role? >> i think he's played a negative role in the past. i rarely disagree with the doctor, but i think president karzai lost control of the process. i think the pa

then karzai, the reform er. then i must say through 2002 and 2014, the country has been through a tremendous transformation. sometimes we over do it a little bit and become propaganda the way we use figures and so on. not so easy we sometimes pretend. tremendous progress. you cannot say the man who presided over this is not part of that. i think since we have him here, i'll ask him what is the media, for instance, you're today in afghanistan in a situation where the media society is more vibrant, more open, more questions are being discussed over and over again than any other country in the wider region. any other country in the wider region. not only male journalists but female journalists. i remember one press conference where a female raised her happened and asked him a very provocative question about corruption. that would not have happened a few years ago. but there is an important change. he's also the reformer. did he manage to become karzai, the peacemaker you wanted? unfortunately not in spite of all th

is it more than karzai himself? respect for the country and building of institutions and i do come back, i do not think we have taken institution building seriously. we have spent a lot of money. that as youent of know better than i do, says it has not worked. it has become an obstacle to building an institution. finally in 2008, we managed to get in place and institute. it will bring out of thousands of people who could go, but what happens? they do not want to finance i t. they do finance a young, country, that they given this contract from the same country. finance with foreigners to be in the ministry. $22,000 perearns month. for doing what? writing reports. not capacity building. what has been our expectation? [indiscernible] yes, we have build institutions much stronger than before but they could've been much stronger. one other example. imagine, march 2009 in kabul, i got a message from richard barton. the assistant secretary of state for the region. , you will bee asked to chair. nobody warned me for that. k

so what is it that you think is hamid karzai's legacy? >> first of all, president karzai's elder brother endorsed dr. abdullah, campaigned for him, so is very, very actively engaged. the karzai family endorsed different candidates as individuals. the e not had support from president. we have maintain cordial relationships but dr. abdullah, thanks to the legacy of the very large political party that he presents is a major presence in government, ministrys, governorships, police posts, et cetera. i have no one in the government. i have not appointed. so i have not had backing from the government. the president's -- president karzai took power in a very ifficult time and his legacy will be both a person who has managed to maintain an umbrella under which various afghans with very different outlooks and backgrounds and persuasions have managed to cohabit, and also of a legacy where corruption became a cancer that could not be contained. we are determined to build on e positive legacy and deal with corruption in a really determined manner beca

so i'm not a believer that this is all a plot by president karzai to take power. but i think that could be the result or to keep power, rather. that could be the result. and a lot of what -- whether that happens or not depends of course on what happens in kabul in coming days so it's important that all afghan leaders who can play a positive role do so in coming days. finally, a couple of words on the most important issues for afghanistan, for any government afterwards. and i had a much longer thing prepared on this a few days ago. but i'm not going to use it. i'm going to say that it needs to be inclusive, progressive, reforming, noncorrupt and young government. to go back to the areas of success, perhaps the biggest area of success in afghanistan, and i see some in the audience who fit this bill, is the emrgens of a younger generation that has the potential to really change their country. in many ways more and more has the capabilities to change the country. one of the sad things about the past election is there were no real representatives of that new generation

so, what is it that you think karzai's legacy? >> president karzai's elder brother endorsed our campaign. e were very engaged. i have not talked with the president. we have maintained cordial relationships, but dr. abdullah, thanks to the legacy f the very large political party, it is a major presence in government. governorships, police post, etc. i have not appointed anyone in the government. i have not had backing from the government. the president -- president karzai took power in a very difficult time. his legacy will be both a person who has managed to maintain an umbrella under which very different people with different backgrounds and persuasions have managed to cohabit. also, a legacy where corruption became a cancer that could not e contained. we are determined to build on the positive legacy and deal ith corruption in a really determined manner because without tackling corruption, our people in general and powerful people -- our poor people and youth and women who have been the key drivers in the campaign will not have

they have torn down the photographs of hamid karzai, president hamid karzai, which is in most government offices and police force. they have been shouting death to hamid karzai, death to the election, the head of the election commission. the next step formally here is the election complaints commission takes over the counting process and they will recount 7,000 ballots, 3 million votes. abdullah abdullah wanted more. he wants 11,000 recounted, but did not want the results released at all. tensions are running high among supporters. last night in kabul we heard a lot of shooting. some that the results showed him millions ahead. many protesting the vote. in some areas they took down the picture and put up banners declaring abdullah abdullah president. now, the concern is they might try to declare a parallel government. some of the supporters indicated they might do that. secretary of state john kerry issued a statement saying that would not be a good thing. it could jeopardise the united states aid to afghanistan, a very, very difficult thing for this country with its perilous economy, dep

karzai was a significant player in all that. increasingly significant in the south since the president's brother was killed three or four years ago. hashmatt karzai was one of the key power brokers in that reason. more controversy following him not just because of millionaire dealings. he had a big security contract with military forces. he is alleged to have killed a man in a long man running feud. his own father was killed. he is alleged but denied of killing a man years ago in part of the family feud. this death could be part of a family feud or indeed being the taliban getting into someone close to the karzai clan. >> stay with us here on bbc world news. much more to come. it's compared to a war in west africa. we'll cross live to our correspondent for the latest on the battle against the spread of the deadly ebola virus. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is, w

the x factor is how does hamid karzai play this.lah abdullah lost to hamid karzai in the previous presidential election. there's a lot of bad blood. it's been no secret that ashraf ghani has been hamid karzai's preferred victor. if abdullah abdullah decides that this hiccup is something that is ultimately going to scuttle the idea of a unity government, we are back to square one, and that is a frightening scenario, a fracturing of the afghan government in the year that we are trying to leave. >> abdullah abdullah's backers threatened to establish a breakaway government. >> yes, that was responded with in no uncertain terms by the united states, that any type of fact, breakaway government, secondary government would result in the immediate withdrawal of support from the united states - militarily, economically and diplomatically within afghanistan. it's basically if you do that, we're gone. >> hamid karzai set august 2nd as a date for a new president. will we neat that goal? >> you know, part of the deal had both sides essentially sa

there's no secret that george has been hamid karzai -- that ashraf ghani has been hamid karzai's preferred victor. if abdullah abdullah decides this will scuttle a unity government, we are back to square one. >> the audit continues. coming up next "the week ahead" - fighting aids around the world. scientists come together for one of the largest conferences of its kind. where it stands and what they hope to accomplish. >>> fbi informants - an al jazeera investigation on how the fbi recruits and uses spies. r >>> welcome back to aljazeera.com. here are the top stories we are following. it's been the deadliest day in gaza since the israeli offensive began. 60 palestinians have been killed in the past 24 hours. the israeli army says 13 soldiers were killed. the u.n. security council are set to hold an emergency meeting in an hour. the armed wing says it has captured an israeli soldier. in eastern ukraine pro-russian separatists have the black boxes from malaysia airlines flight mh17. the investigation has been compromised. nearly 300 people died when the plane was hit by a surface to air miss

ullah has accused and itssident karzai -- according to the results yesterday, it appears that both camps are involved equally in fraud, and it means there less validity to negotiate. the consensus on the ground is that while there is a lot of noise made about abdullah's accusations of fraud, this will , and thess understanding that ashraf ghani may be able to pull through, especially that secretary of state john kerry will be visiting friday to sort out the mess are. from the independent rest of sudan in 2011, but the impoverished new country has been suffering in the grip of famine and poverty. made hoping to reach hundreds of thousands of starving people. seger reports. >> thousands went waiting for to come. access to the war-torn region has been limited by fighting and the start of the rainy season. eight agencies have warned that south sudan, the world's newest nation, to plunge into famine within weeks. >> the population is suffering from severe malnutrition. the south sudanese people are weak. >> more than 1.5 million people were forced to leave their homes after a political row be

karzai said the answer has to be agreed on by both candidates and be in line with afghan law. kerry agreed. >> i'm here because president obama and the united states are deeply interested in an unified, democratic and stable afghanistan. we obviously have high hopes that th this will be resolved quickly. >> reporter: they will review 8,000 ballot boxes or 43% of the vote. >> our commitment is to ensure that the election process, and we believe in the most intensive order positive. >> reporter: that's what the people want, too, faith in the process. some chain themselves together to block the road to kabuls airport. ghani's rival abdullah abdullah wants 11,000 ballot boxes reviewed, and he wants them reviewed by an independent third party. he doesn't trust the afghan commission in charge. the secretary of state is trying to find a solution where both candidates and the people of afghanistan can trust the outcome. jennifer glasse, al jazeera, kabul. >> seeking at a detention center in new mexico, jay johnson said anyone crossing into the u.s. will be sent back. >> in addressing

. >> how about karzai karzai? is he a neutral figure in all this? >> not really. he has been in the heart of afghan politics, and he will not cease and desist from being a player. but i think at this point the greatest weight really must be given to the afghan people that voted in enormous numbers. of course there was rigging all over the country, but we just have to find out the proof of that. >> are you optimistic that this can be resolved? >> i think so. i think the afghans have traditionally been able to resolve differences among themselves under a term that is sometimes used to describe the process, which is the concord of the people. afghanistan has been a country with national boundaries much longer than its neighborhood. so i am optimistic. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> today the world health organization issued a bold new recommendation to stop the spre of h.i.v. sexually arging active gay men to take the drug, saying it could prevent one million h.i.v. infections. a baby girl was thought to be cured after early treatment, but now doctors

among the injuries are president karzai's personal cameraman.n another attack in eastern afghanistan, a suicide car bomber detonated himself in a very busy market, and killed dozens of people, and many others were injured. afghanistan president karzai condemned these attacks and called it a very unislamic act in the month of ramadan. >>> libya's government is considering asking for international help to end the violence. days of fighting by militias have largely destroyed the airport in tripoli. >> reporter: libya's armed factions fighting to control the airport. days of shelling have destroyed buildings and most aircraft. there are two main camps involved. one is backed by many liberals in society and the government, but opposed by a number of powerful conservative militias, all of them have been fighting for a bigger political say in the capitol. >> translator: the airport was hit with heavy weapons, a lot of libyan planes got hit along with planes from different airlines. the customs hall was destroyed completely. >> reporter: the weakens arm

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i didn't accept seats from president karzai after the fraudulent elections because i believed that we can do -- we can help the country in the opposition to correct the system rather than be part of a corrupt system. >> charlie: what influence do you believe president karzai had on the outcome of the election? >> he was not neutral, unfortunately. he took sides. he supported one side, and that one side was not me. i asked him to stay impartiality. it was good for him and would have been good for the country and the future of him as a leader who had served the country in the past 13 years with ups and downs, with achievements and failures altogether, but towards the end of his tenure, it would have been much better if he had listen to advice to stay impartial and then, in that sort of situation, he would have been the one who could have brokered -- brokered a deal in between us, between me and ashraf ghani or to facilitate so we could have gotten together and solved the problems. so he damaged that position of himself, but that's his decision. i still respect him as my boss for some ye

believeinfluence do you president karzai had on the outcome of the election? >> he was not neutral.e took sides. supported one side. that one side was not me. i asked him to stay impartial and it was good for him, it would have been good for the country and for the future of him as a leader to serve the country in the last 13 years with ups and downs altogether. it would have been much better .ad he listened to our advice and he would have been the one that would've brokered a deal in so that we can solve the problems. he damaged that position. him as my boss and as leader of the country. but nevertheless, he took sides process also led to the that damaged his position. >> you believe he was part of >> i would say he is part of supporting one and humiliating himself as well as close associate that meddled with the electoral system and our institutions. with the outgoing president, but doortunately, he chose to such that he could have done much better for the country and left a better memory for the people of the country had he been impartial. realize you're dancing around a criticis

envoy here and went to the palace to meet the outgoing president hamid karzai and will support a planto by the two candidates and in line with afghan law. john kerry then went on to meet the candidate who after preliminary results was in the lead by about a million votes and he is meeting just about now with abdullah, abdullah, the challenger who said there was widespread fraud and wants the votes recounted and there is a view of a review of 8,000 ballot boxes and 83% of the vote and he signed off on the deal but abdullah wanted to see a more widespread review of votes and that is what the team is focusing on, separating the fraudulent votes from the other ones and that is how they want to move forward. secretary of state kerry says the united states is committed to a stable, democratic afghanistan and they said this is about the legitimacy and integrity of the elections. that really is the question here is afghans wait to see if the two candidates can come to some sort of agreement, some sort of deal that will allow the counting process to go forward, review process to go forward so

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karzai says the answer has to be agreed upon by both candidates and be in line with afghan law. kerry agrees. >> we're deeply interested in a unified democratic and stable afghanistan. we obviously have high hopes that the questions about the election will be resolved quickly. >> reporter: candidate ashraf ghani supports a united nations proposed plan which would review about 43% of the vote. >> our commitment is to ensure that the process has integrity and legitimacy. therefore, we believe in the most intensive audit possible to restore fate. >> reporter: that's what the people want too. faith in the process. some chain themselves together to block the road to kaboul's airport, demanding a resolution. the rival, abdullah abdullah, welcomed the secretary of state intervention. >> we welcome you in help save the process here. we thank you, and welcome you, and hopefulfully all of us will utilize your assistance here. >> reporter: but there is still a gap in the demand between the two parties. abdullah wants 11,000 ballot boxes reviewed. he says he doesn't trust the afghan commiss

karzai said that they have to be are agreed upon by both candidates and be in line with afghan law. kerry agreed. >> we're deeply interested in an unified, democratic, and stable afghanistan. we obviously have high hopes that the questions about the election will be resolved quickly. >> reporter: candidate ashraf ghani wants the review of 43% of the vote. >> our commitment is to ensure that the election process enjoys the integrity and legitimacy o of afghanistan and the world. and to restore faith. >> reporter: that's what the people want, too. faith in the process. some chained themselves together to block the road to kabul's airport, demanding a resolution. political uncertainty has damageed afghanistan's fragile economy. abdullah abdullah said his priority is to separate fraudulent votes from valid ones. he wants them reviewed by a third party. he doesn't trust the afghans who are in charge. jennifer glasse, al jazeera, kabul. >> michael: the center for disease control has shut down two of its labs after reviewing it excellently shipped dangerous germs five times in the past dec

they tore down a photo of the outgoing president hamid karzai and replaced it with abdullah abdullah with the slogan the people's president. abdullah said removing karzai's picture upset him, it shows disrespect for the presidency. >> we have won the word of the people of afghanistan. that is over. that will not be changed. >> reporter: the crowd wanted to declare a parallel government. abdullah asked for a few days. he's expecting a visit from u.s. secretary of state john kerry on friday to help address allegations of vote rigging. >> the views that president obama exchanged was the path of the last 30 years and what can we do to facilitate the gains. >> reporter: abdullah wants 11,000 ballot boxes reexamined. his opponent said the demand is unprecedented but will abide by a recount. >> we are asking the complaints commission to unilaterally accept our recommendation to pay the most intensive audit. >> ashraf ghani said abdullah's team is changing the rules. jennifer class, al jazeera, can pool. >> in somali today, al-shabaab fighters attack the compound. five fighters were killed.

he went on to meet president karzai.eet abdullah abdullah as well and the country's interior minister. mr. kerry has the credentials of a troubleshooter. he was here in 2009 when he was a u.s. senator and in fact flayed a cruel rule in resolving the dispute then. after all americans have l leverage in afghanistan. 30,000 troops are on the ground. afghan politicians understand that the americans are needed if afghanistan is not to go back to the days of civil war and any sort of scenario where the taliban or insurgents could take over parts of the country. >> that's the thing. american words from mr. kerry pretty strong. saying it's a critical moment in the country. he's saying the political transition hangs in the balance. that's s that the way afghans see it? do they fear if this gets out of land, the whole thing could unravel? >> i think there's a very clear realization of that. one of the negative impacts of this election deadlock is that businesses have come to stand still. there's concern across the country what cou

of della ripped down a portrait -- supporters ripped down a portrait of outgoing president hamid karzai. he finally arrived. minister,inance abdullah abdullah, famed for his resistance to the taliban and. round the front runner in one of the presidential race. fortune reversed. he claims fraud. >> we are the party, we are the winners. >> arrest less crowd urged him to announce a parallel he resisted.ut despite warnings from the united states that this could jeopardize security in the united states. instead he called for more time to consider his next move. the question is, can his supporters wait? these are now uncertain times in afghanistan in the coming days. in the camp, a conciliatory mood. he pledged his cooperation with authorities. provisional results indicate his lead by my thousand votes. they want to ensure legitimacy of the process, and fairness of the result. moment forefining afghanistan and its fragile transition. the senior u.s. visitor is expected here later this week. bbc news, kabul. to announce the winner of an election that the country can rally around. in the united

john kerry getting together with hamid karzai and u.n. officials today.e's going to try to broker a resolution to the disputed election. abdullah abdullah won the first round. he's calling the second round into question, which he seems to have lost. a smooth, peaceful, political transition. >>> unanimous support from the obama administration's decision to bring bergdahl home t. heads of all five military branches expressed they do not leave soldiers on the battlefield. five detainees from guantanamo bay were released for this. germans ordering the top spy to be let go. they oversaw the recruitment of a -- he was spying for the cia. german investigators are looking at someone else who may have been working for the u.s. >>> a decision could alter the affordable care act if they declare subsidies are illegal. you know, another big development in obamacare, the number of uninsured people in the country dropped. a lot of people credit obamacare. >>> new development in the irs controversy and the scrutiny of tax exempt applications. a judge ruling the irs has t

offered to thousands of troops in the area to signd karzai refuses a bilateral agreement ahead of the presidential election, leaving it to his successor to seal the deal. many fear that this political deadlock could fuel further violence. the 2 weeks to go before publication of the official candidates have called on his supporters not to post further action. >> brazil was thrashed 7-1 by germany. argentina will be facing off for a place in the finals -- and there are pictures of argentina training. the winner will then face germany in sunday's final. we can speak to dan leavy who is in rio. let's start by talking about the horror the people in brazil must have woken up to this morning. it must have felt like a terrible hangover. was, though the real hangover -- this 7-1 thrashing. the most lopsided game in history in the first time they had lost any soccer match since 2002. -- at home since 2002. 1952, thatfinal in is when they lost the final game against uruguay. the formation -- [indiscernible] this could be similar because it was even more humiliating. the national press going with

we should not allow karzai to wave us off, because at the end of the day he is not interested in anything except for longing this. we need a quick resolution in the election of the duly elected president to replace karzai in afghanistan. and then we can get the agreement. back to iran, kerry is going to vienna, but lavrov is not. there is an indication that there is a rift growing between united states and russia within the talks. do you know anything about that? >> no, i don't. about that rift, i do not. arehe people in moscow who saying that the united states are dragging its feet in the talks, that they are the ones were stalling. >> i can imagine they can believe anything in moscow, because it is a conspiratorial mindset right now in terms of the way they view the united states. i do not know that to be the case at all. congressman, thank you so much for covering so much ground here. can i just drag you back. a few minutes ago it, it sounds like you've veered into saying that you had a private conversation with z-- >> i said the premier. >> and you were speaking quietly for a second.

. >> why has president karzai and so anti-united states?nderstandrd to given the strategic interest of the country. , when you talkgs to just about every other afghan, they are so grateful for the united states. they want us to be a partner. they want us to continue to support them. they are as baffled as anybody about karzai. >> will he still have power after he is out of office? >> he will have some influence but i think that will wane over time. the real name of the game is a government, whether it is led by dr. guiney or dr. abdullah, that it is inclusive. the most promising thing in afghanistan is the next generation of leaders coming up. >> if you were one of the parents of one of the 2500 or so that died in afghanistan, what would you tell them is the reason? >> i would say your son or your daughter made the ultimate sacrifice to protect americans run terrorist attacks in the future. the united states in return should ensure that that sacrifice was worth something and we should keep our eye on the objective. it is within reach. it is