lashkar's stated goals go beyond kashmir to all of south asia.t pamphlets are filled with attacks on hindus and jews. like al qaeda which began with limited goals, it could be morphing into something larger and much more sinister. but terrorism is waged by individuals. we saw these young peasant boys who had little education and no prospects in their country. they are the ones who enlist for the jihad. we have political and ideological forces on one hand and the simple despair of young men on the other. the two have combined to create a deadly mix. the only way this movie will end well is if we tackle both sides of this problem. we need to get the military and foreign policy right. we also need to help change the sense of hopelessness and culture of hate that exists in these societies. we need to help these young men you just watched embrace life rather than death. [ male announcer ] for over 150 years, wells fargo has been putting our clients first. according to a leading independent research firm, in 2009, clients rated wells fargo advisors the

the way to do that would be to solve the kashmir problem. i think india does have a huge role to play here. the caller is right, indeed has a much more direct interest. if pakistan breaks up -- and it has never really been a coherent country, but it is becoming less coherent now. the northwest frontier has always been kind of an outlaw area, but now balukistan and other areas are looking at a tumultuous and unstable. yes, if pakistan breaks up and has nuclear weapons loose with is almost extremists, it would be an immediate problem for india. i do not think india would stand by and let that happen. i think it would intervene and then you would have a war and a civil war probably in pakistan. if you want to stop afghanistan, you need to solve pakistan. if you want to stop pakistan, you need to get peace between pakistan and india. host: is there a discussion within the obama administration on getting india to have more of a public role in the pakistan- afghanistan equation? guest: when richard holbrook came in as the special envoy to deal wit

the group responsible for these attacks, lashkar-e-taiba, was created to wage war in kashmir, the territory been under dispute with india and pakistan since 1947. lashkar was supported by the pakistani military. there is little evidence that pakistan's generals are making any serious effort to shut down what has become a vast oergs within their country. lashkar-e-taiba's stated goals go beyond cash misch to all of south asia. it pamphlets are filled with attacks on hindus and jews. like al qaeda, it could be morphing into something larger and much more sinister. terrorism is waged by individuals. we saw these young peasant boys who had little education and no prospects in their country. they are the ones who enlist for the jihad. we have political and ideological forces on one hand and the simple despair of young men on the other. the two have combined to create a deadly mix. the only way this movie will end well is if we tackle both sides of this problem. we need to get the military and foreign policy right. we need to change the sense of hopelessness and culture of hate that exists in the

the way to do that would be to solve the kashmir problem.i think india does have a huge role to play here. the caller is right, indeed has a much more direct interest. if pakistan breaks up -- and it has never really been a coherent country, but it is becoming less coherent now. the northwest frontier has always been kind of an outlaw area, but now balukistan and other areas are looking at a tumultuous and unstable. yes, if pakistan breaks up and has nuclear weapons loose with is almost extremists, it would be an immediate problem for india. i do not think india would stand by and let that happen. i think it would intervene and then you would have a war and a civil war probably in pakistan. if you want to stop afghanistan, you need to solve pakistan. if you want to stop pakistan, you need to get peace between pakistan and india. host: is there a discussion within the obama administration on getting india to have more of a public role in the pakistan- afghanistan equation? guest: when richard holbrook came in as the special envoy to deal with

. >> my question is about kashmir. i asked this question weeks ago.we all know the down there is no solution to resolve the kashmir issue. are you serious to resolve this issue? i ask this question before, but he told me my question was based on racism. god willing we would keep fighting for the next 60 years for kashmir unless someone would help us. >> led new be very clear -- let me be very clear. i am not working on that problem. [laughter] i did not even mention the problem i am not working on. when i go to india, and i go there frequently, and i look forward to going there soon because we keep the indians very closely informed of our efforts because india is a hugely important factor, but when that question comes up, your colleagues tried to get me to mention the k word, and i will not do it because everybody says i am secretly working on it or i ought to be, and they are wrong on both counts. i am not working on that problem. the president addressed very clearly, as did the secretary of state in recent interviews, and my job is to work on the ci

in the past, india lost 65,000 people in kashmir. taliban has recruited 65,000 people plus in kashmir. in the end we are fighting india war. we have fighting with india. why are we doing that? why are we not asking india to take part right now, because if we withdraw, that will be terrible problem for india -- with any problems in the united states. but almost like we are trying to fight an india war. why are we doing that without asking for direct help from india? of course we don't have to -- pakistan with indian troops which it can help with 100,000 troops under our command. >> host: tom ricks. >> guest: this is one thing i like going on c-span you really get thoughtful you really do get thoughtful and informed questions. the caller as to the heart of a problem in many ways. the biggest threat it faces is not terrorism but india. and in fact there is evidence that some of the billions dollars aid we've given them since 9/11 has gone to improving pakistan's nuclear arsenal. it is a terrible thing. you really don't want pakistan to

originally with connections to pakistani security services and the struggle against india and for kashmir and its target has been above all india but it's evolved. and it has kind of a para military commando stale flavor to it because a lot of the people who have strained the recruits are people connected to the pakistani security forces. >> what was headley trained to do? he wasn't trained to be a commando he was trained to do what? >> it appears he did repeated trips to the camps so it appears he did different types of training but it's clear that this is someone who had some kind of training in trade craft in techniques of espionage. this was someone who was able to talk his way in, for example, to the offices of this newspaper in denmark pretending to be wanting to sell ads for his business. he's someone who had training that appears in para military activity but also very sophisticated surveillance espionage activities as well. >> lehrer: what's known about his motives? what's behind all this? >> there are intercepts and telephone conversations in the charging documents that suggests

i thk there was some specation they might have gone to fig in afghanistan, casey kotchman, kashmir. .kevin chia. ansome guys from long island, for instance. brown: there were also reports that they were ung facebook, youtube, tget in touch with jihad i groups. >> that's true and i thi this is not the first case where they'vbeen reports of people from t united states going to pakistan and tryinto hook up with these groups and beg rejected. i think these groups, espeally ones considered pipenes to al qaeda arvery, very concerned right w that these people might be spies f the c.i.a. or informanfor the f.b.i. or just wannabes that have no ace there. so, you know, there's...hey have their o operational security a they've rejected americans for not having the right references. >> brown: now how worrieare you and your community aut the potential for more cases le this? >> well, first of all, we ha to make re that this is a all problem, it's not widespread, but to us its a serious probm. it is ere. it is not wispread, does not reflecon the muslim community or even young muslimnationwide becau

. >> my question is about kashmir. i asked this question weeks ago.we all know the down there is no solution to resolve the kashmir issue. are you serious to resolve this issue? i ask this question before, but he told me my question was based on racism. god willing we would keep fighting for the next 60 years for kashmir unless someone would help us. >> led new be very clear -- let me be very clear. i am not working on that problem. [laughter] i did not even mention the problem i am not working on. when i go to india, and i go there frequently, and i look forward to going there soon because we keep the indians very closely informed of our efforts because india is a hugely important factor, but when that question comes up, your colleagues tried to get me to mention the k word, and i will not do it because everybody says i am secretly working on it or i ought to be, and they are wrong on both counts. i am not working on that problem. the president addressed very clearly, as did the secretary of state in recent interviews, and my job is to work on the ci

and then they created, even before that, these jihadi groups which were meant to fight in kashmir againstans. after 9/11, when musharraf made his u-turn, these groups began to fall away from their creator, began to pull away, and think of their own thing, which was war against infidels of one sort or another, the indians, the day americans, be they anybody else. now you have a situation in which pakistan is fighting a war against one sort of it had begun, still allied to -- one sort of taliban, still led to the other sort. as long as pakistanis think they will need the afghan taliban to further the interests once we pull out, is going to be very hard for them to break those links. host: let's go to washington, d.c. democrats line. guesi@@@@@@@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ downgrading to religion. when the crusaders came in, we did not say this was a christian war. they are taking religion and using it as a tool, and you have to understand that is not the average muslim. and you say that pakistan encourages the taliban? i think it is the united states. we are the ones who encouraged the taliban and t

with pakistan for decades, you have nukes point at each other, you have over 100 dozen trips to the kashmir border -- 100,000 troops at the cashmore border could you pull your troops back, pakistan can move their troops over there and fight the taliban." host: tucson, arizona, dick on the line for republicans. caller: i admire you immensely because you are the first politician i've heard in a long time that made any sense. guest: that is because i broke a few coldspring when you are pricking a colt -- i broke a few colts. when you cannot get that call to pay attention, you tie its legs up and now it is standing on three legs and a little button push him around. -- a little guy can push him around. caller: before you had elected office, i do -- before you became governor, had you ever held elected office before? guest: no. caller: you talk about your work on a dairy farms. there is currently any product -- a new product -- not new -- called bovine colostrum. i came back from a 23rd trip to africa, and it fixes a. it restores the immune system. -- fixes aids, it restores the immune system. it

and then they created, even before that, these jihadi groups which were meant to fight in kashmir againstthem to break those links. host: let's go to washington, d.c. democrats line. guesi caller: i want to address an objection to ambassador milam. he needs to distinguish between what is islam and what is to rescind terrorism happens -- what is terrorism. he says that most young muslims are terrorists. there are lots of young muslims, and i am a young muslim, are in a quandary right now because of what the west has created. you have created a very bad image of islam, and that goes all the way back to the crusades, the inquisition, whatever. you have to continue doing this, downgrading the religion. -- have continued doing this, downgrading to religion. when the crusaders came in, we did not say this was a christian war. they are taking religion and using it as a tool, and you have to understand that is not the average muslim. and you say that pakistan encourages the taliban? i think it is the united states. we are the ones who encouraged the taliban and told them that this is a religious

the united states, getting involved in the kashmir problem. is this nation ready to do that?. the united states would welcome any kind of forward movement on disputes between pakistan and india, reduction of the tension between them. those will all be good for the world as a whole. the united states cannot solve that process. the principal engagement has to be from pakistan and india. they have to show the will and commitment to wanting to resolve that dispute. the united states would support them in that process, but they have to be at the forefront. host: the last question comes from pittsburgh, pennsylvania. democratic line. caller: your comments fly in the face of myÑi brother, a 34 year veteran of the navy seals. he was very point-blank about the level of corruption. not just in afghanistan, but pakistan, who created the taliban in the first place. it is a construct of the pakistani government and they have no intention of doing away with the taliban. for you and president obama, who i supported, to waste -- meet the treasury of our country continually, i echo what my fr

another is kashmir. between supporting democracy and our alliance with the saudi monarchs or the dictatorships in egypt. those issues team to be of more importance to muslim communities. let me get to the question. to what extent are the goals are issues that are important to the united states and the issues that are of importance to muslim communities zerget that there is not -- dwirget -- dwirgeent to the point they overlap. >> i think you posed that in a fascinating way for me because i am a political scientist. having taught in classrooms and taught foreign policy and international relations, i can tell you how we con receive of our national sbrs. we have our national values. those are what guide our sense of our is interests. our policies derive from our interests. there is a hierarchy here and at the top of it is values. there has already been a lot of discussion about the values inherent in american civil culture and the way the muslims sprack with those values. so i don't have to go on about that

with pakistan for decades, you have nukes point at each other, you have over 100 dozen trips to the kashmir border -- 100,000 troops at the cashmore border could you pull your troops back, pakistan can move their troops over there and fight the taliban." host: tucson, arizona, dick on the line for republicans. caller: i admire you immensely because you are the first politician i've heard in a long time that made any sense. guest: that is because i broke a few coldspring when you are pricking a colt -- i broke a few colts. when you cannot get that call to pay attention, you tie its legs up and now it is standing on three legs and a little button push him around. -- a little guy can push him around. caller: before you had elected office, i do -- before you became governor, had you ever held elected office before? guest: no. caller: you talk about your work on a dairy farms. there is currently any product -- a new product -- not new -- called bovine colostrum. i came back from a 23rd trip to africa, and it fixes a. it restores the immune system. -- fixes aids, it restores the immune system. it