but for others, like ohio's governor john kasich... >> if they want to strike, they should be fired. >> reporter: ...it's a death knell for public unions. >> i report to the people. >> reporter: kasich, a republican, thinks he'll help close an estimated $8 billion budget gap in ohio by limiting the bargaining rights for public employees. >> kill the bill! >> this is a budget fight and in that way it's like all other states trying to balance their budget, but this has a charged ideological element. >> reporter: and governor kasich isn't alone. nine other republican governors from nevada to new jersey are also targeting unions with various proposals, decreasing wages and bargaining power in some cases, increasing what workers contribute to pensions and benefits in others. >> the public sector union members do have a target on their back. they're the peg that's standing higher, and that's where the hammer is going to come down. >> republican governors see pushback from unions as a badge of honor. for democratic governors, they need unions. >> reporter: unions are a strong part of the de

been in ohio, john kasich is talking about the same thing. >> n' you get misty eyed about collective bargaining? you know who is against collective -- who was against collective bgain for public employees? franklin roosevelt. it is not like the private sector where you have management pushing back. not a fair fight. in the state, the union's controlling the legislature. it is not bargaining. they got what ever they wanted. one of the arguments against the government is if he had not given away tax breaks he would have had a surplus because scsin is not in as bad shape as illinois and the jersey and california. >> everybody understands that the pension andeahenit are not sustainable. and also they are unfair. all the governor is asking -- with this riots -- not riots, t e motrations are about -- is asking the public employee union to pay half of what the private sector people pay in contributing to health and pensions. half. and what happens? thtehe in madison kansas school for three days to demonstrate and to drag students out to demonstrations. >> it is not actually trha it is half

kasich's reasoning? guest: our budget ends june 30th. we are fine. we are running a bit of a surplus. the problem is the next two-year budget. there is an estimated $800 million deficit. we will see how the governor deals with that two-year budget, but the governor and senate leaders reporting this bill have made it clear that collective bargaining is not an issue that they are trying to use to deal with the two-year budget problem. they admit that it would have little effect on the short term. there pushing this as more of a long-term issue to stop the ramp up of salaries, benefits that we have seen that there are you are unsustainable. the unions argue that they have made a lot of concessions in the last few years that the economy turned down and that they show this is not necessary. host: ohio. republican line. caller: one thing jim siegel has not mentioned is the backdrop the governor has done. when he was sworn in, he wanted to have a private swearing in as his house. that sounds bizarre, but he did. it was only the outcry and the press and publ

been in ohio, john kasich is talking about the same thing. >> don't you get misty eyed about collective bargaining? you know who is against collective -- who was against collective bargaining for public employees? franklin roosevelt. it is not like the private sector where you have management pushing back. not a fair fight. in the state, the union's controlling the legislature. it is not bargaining. they got what ever they wanted. >> one of the arguments against the government is if he had not given away tax breaks he would have had a surplus because wisconsin is not in as bad shape as illinois and the jersey and california. >> everybody understands that the pension and health benefits are not sustainable. and also they are unfair. all the governor is asking -- with this riots -- not riots, but the demonstrations are about -- is asking the public employee union to pay half of what the private sector people pay in contributing to health and pensions. half. and what happens? the teaches in madison kansas school for three days to demonstrate and to drag students out to demonstrations. >> i

you know, i think governor walker and governor kasich in ohio, governor daniels in indiana, they feel that by weakening or eliminating collective bargaining reports for public employers, for teachers, for sanitation workers, it will give them the flexibility to, you know, do what they want. they want to -- they figure they won't have to pay as much for cities and states won't have to pay as much for health coverage or be as generous on vacation days. might be able to privatize operations and save money that way. but the united nations, i think, also have a point that these are all -- republican governors, republican lawmakers doing this. these folks saw how unions saw how $7 million in the elections to try to help democrats and when they speak to labor leaders, they say this is political payback. they say governor walker and others are trying to cripple unions and make them much weaker, not just at the bargaining table but also in the nation's elections. >> how do you think this plays out? what do you think the end game is here? >> it's really unclear, maria. governor walker has reall

. >> kasich is facing an estimated $8 billion budget deficit for next year. >>> overseas now, for the first time, pirates off the coast of somalia have taken american lives. four u.s. citizens aboard a hijacked yacht were shot by the captors on tuesday. they died before u.s. navy sailors could save them. more than a dozen suspects are in custody. david martin has more. >> reporter: ignoring explicit warnings about pirates, two couples, jean and scott adam and phyllis mckay and bob riggle sailed alone across the indian ocean in their 58-foot yacht, "the quest." >> why they were in that area, we don't know. but she was not haphazardly out on the ocean just -- just doing what, you know, loosely traveling around. >> reporter: on friday, their yacht was boarded by 19 pirates who set a course for somalia. four u.s. navy ships shadowed the yacht, knowing if it ever reached land they would lose their best chance of rescuing the americans. >> we understood that if they got to shore it was going to be a really bad situation. we also understood that the navy was doing their best to prevent them

dennis kasich, a democrat. later in the show, historian on the link and the presidency and the 150th anniversary of the civil war. from the nation's capital, this is "washington journal." [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] host: good morning. it is federal budget season in washington. it said chair ben bernanke met the budget committee to discuss the economic outlook and the president's budget proposal. the appropriation committees are looking for ways to cut some federal spending. congressional vote on funding this year and increasing the debt ceiling will soon occur. tea party activists and conservatives are calling for deeper cuts in spending. with all of this going on, it is your turn to weigh in. where and what if anything would you cut from the federal budget? you can see the phone numbers on the screen -- or tweet in what you would cut from the budget, if anything. we will begin taking your calls in a few minutes. a couple of a

. >> reporter: despite the public outcry, walker says several other governors like john kasich of ohio are urging him to hold his ground and if walker prevails, other states may try to follow. manuel gallegus, cbs news, madison, wisconsin. >>> so far the cause of an engine failure on board a delta airline flight remains unknown. the faa is investigating. delta flight 1846 had just taken off from fort lauderdale, florida, early sunday morning and en route to minneapolis. the 737 suffered a contained engine failure. small pieces of the engine flew out the back. the jet quickly returned to the airport. >> there was a big explosion, a flash that went all through. and it was -- i was very close to the wing, it was on the other side. but the guy that was across the aisle from me, he dove. he hit the dirt. i mean, we all were very nervous. >> there were 125 people on board the flight. they changed planes and continued to minneapolis. >>> the four americans held hostage aboard their yacht appear to be headed to somalia this morning. pirates plan to be in touch with the hijackers said sunday th

force base where kasich turn down money that would have brought jobs into the area. where is the money that boehner is talking about? i would like you to address the $1 trillion that he said would come in from overseas accounts. i would like c-span to actually do a program on that. someone called in and mentioned our progress people freezing their incomes or reducing them. i would love to see c-span2 program -- most of our reps are millionaires. the good symbolically freeze or reduce their incomes -- they could symbolically freeze or reduce their incomes. i wonder if this gentleman knows of many wealthy people doing that. host: let me get an answer. guest: there are a number of things she has tied into that question. i'm a graduate of the university of cincinnati, so it is fun to talk about southwest ohio. it sounds like she is from the dayton area. i know many of the facilities she is referring to. john boehner's district is an extremely conservative district and has been since i went to college many years ago. that has not changed much over the years. i mentioned t

and our governor in wisconsin and john kasich of ohio opposed the program and the bill we are bringing today, or tomorrow, to the floor, reasons that money for ohio and wisconsin and i think that is the kind of thing we ought to be doing in the future. host: secretary lahood, your reaction? guest: i agree that it is a very ambitious plan. the same kind of big, bold vision of the presidents have had. and we don't take a back seat to anybody when it comes to having -- the president is dreaming big about high-speed rail but there are a lot of americans dreaming big about high-speed intercity rail because it puts people to work, it builds new infrastructure, it builds a new capacity, it is what americans want and we did rescinded the money from wisconsin and ohio because those two governors decided they did not want to move ahead with the project. but i go back to what i said before. 50 years ago there are governors and elected officials is said, we don't need an interstate system. 50 years later we have a state of the art interstate system that delivers people all over this country in a v

kasich's reasoning? guest: our budget ends june 30th. we are fine.e running a bit of a surplus. the problem is the next two-year budget. there is an estimated $800 million deficit. we will see how the governor deals with that two-year budget, but the governor and senate leaders reporting this bill have made it clear that collective bargaining is not an issue that they are trying to use to deal with the two-year budget problem. they admit that it would have little effect on the short term. there pushing this as more of a long-term issue to stop the ramp up of salaries, benefits that we have seen that there are you are unsustainable. the unions argue that they have made a lot of concessions in the last few years that the economy turned down and that they show this is not necessary. host: ohio. republican line. caller: one thing jim siegel has not mentioned is the backdrop the governor has done. when he was sworn in, he wanted to have a private swearing in as his house. that sounds bizarre, but he did. it was only the outcry and the press and public tha

republican governor john kasich said the proposals are meant to restore some balance to the system and not destroy unions. it is right for them to be able to negotiate on salary, he said in an interview, but we need to let managers be able to determine things like keeping the pension system's health, making sure the costs related to health care is consistent with private sector workers. philadelphia. you are on the air. jake. democrat. caller: i have to disagree with the madam who spoke earlier. unions are still needed. who is going to protect the workers? the problem is each is trying to go about the problem the wrong way. they passed a tax cut back in the summer -- facing a $137 million deficit and the tax cuts add to the deficit and ask the unions and return to pay for that. everybody has to -- firefighters, police officers, everyone. unions are here and i think they do a wonderful service to the people of this country and to suggest they are no longer needed i think is completely wrong. but thank you for your call from philadelphia. -- host: thank you for your call from philadelphi

host: dennis kasich, democrat, also talked yesterday on the floor about why he opposed extending the patriot -- dennis kucinich. >> and open up the door for possible is a broader reach into our daily lives. a gentleman from wisconsin, my friend, correctly pointed out the difference between national security matters and the patriot act. but it is also true that section 505 of the patriot act gave the government the ability to greatly expand who can issue a national security letter, so much so that nearly 50,000 nationals a dreaded letters were issued by the fbi, and i think they've year was 2006. they did not have to use section 215. they can just in both the national security letter authority and reach into people's financial records, medical records, the reading material. host: mike on the republican line from kentucky. what are your thoughts? caller: they will get it through. i opposed it when it was on a originally passed under bush. i oppose any bill that erodes more of our rights in this country. that seems to be the same for the last many years -- to keep and bear arms, to priv

criticism in 2011 by dan and ryan is virtually the same as the criticism in 1995 by gingrich and kasich. both times they said were disappointed in the presence leadership is chosen not to be. we're going to go off and do this ourselves. and as the republicans promise and 95 and did, ryan and boehner are going to pitch their own budget. they would do what everyone wanted. the reason i bring this up is i think the situation in 1995 is extremely instructive. republicans went first in 95, got killed for doing so. by the time the end of the year came, we had ended up one shutout in november, one shut down at the end of december and the beginning of january. gingrich and the republicans took it on the chin politically. it was the beginning and end of gingrich as the speaker. and for those of you who went to a, there are six people who might have, don't look around. [laughter] >> first of all, that's rudy. anyway, -- that's rudy. what do i think will happen this year? i think you'll be largely a replay of what happened in. as we get to the continued resolution passionate you're shaking your he

bob livingston had a huge spending cut bill, john kasich authored a series of changes, the house gopin fiscal 1995 the democrats' deficit was $164 billion. we brought it down a little bit the first year, but the second year we had it down to $2 billion from 164. the following year we had a $69 billion surplus in our third budget that we were in charge of. over a four-year period, we paid off $559 billion in federal debt by controlling spending, cutting taxes and increasing economic growth. [applause] the number one job today is to create jobs. america only works when americans are working, and nothing would do more to balance the budget than to go from 9.2% back down to 4% unemployment taking 5% of the american people off of unemployment, off of food stamps, off of medicaid, putting them back with a job, paying taxes, giving their family a future. [applause] and let me emphasize something that republicans and conservatives all too often fail to be honest and direct and talk about. at a time when we have 45% black teenage unemployment in january, that is not acceptable to anyone in am

and our governor in wisconsin and john kasich of ohio opposed the program and the bill we are bringing today, or tomorrow, to the floor, reasons that money for ohio and wisconsin and i think that is the kind of thing we ought to be doing in the future. host: secretary lahood, your reaction? guest: i agree that it is a very ambitious plan. the same kind of big, bold vision of the presidents have had. and we don't take a back seat to anybody when it comes to having -- the president is dreaming big about high-speed rail but there are a lot of americans dreaming big about high-speed intercity rail because it puts people to work, it builds new infrastructure, it builds a new capacity, it is what americans want and we did rescinded the money from wisconsin and ohio because those two governors decided they did not want to move ahead with the project. but i go back to what i said before. 50 years ago there are governors and elected officials is said, we don't need an interstate system. 50 years later we have a state of the art interstate system that delivers people all over this country in a v

reducing salaries of state workers by eight to 10s scott walker is fighting in wisconsin, that john kasichighting in ohio, that rick snyder is fighting in michigan, that susanna martinez is fighting in new mexico. i said to the people of new jersey when i ran for governor in 2009 that if they gave me the opportunity to be their governor that not only with the state go on a path towards fiscal recovery, but we would also leave the nation because we had a one-year headstart on everybody because of our odd election-year. we would have a one-year headstart on a huge new class of governors that would come in and the election of 2010. now, you can imagine how that was received in new jersey. now, this is a state that during my time as the united united sts attorney was not predominately for a few things, political corruption, "the sopranos", the real housewives of new jersey and now must regrettably the jersey shore. not a place that is thought of itself as a national leader in something that would matter for our children's future. but i believe part of leadership is understanding, articulating,

and our governor in wisconsin and john kasich of ohio opposed the program and the bill we are bringing today, or tomorrow, to the floor, reasons that money for ohio and wisconsin and i think that is the kind of thing we ought to be doing in the future. host: secretary lahood, your reaction? guest: i agree that it is a very ambitious plan. the same kind of big, bold vision of the presidents have had. and we don't take a back seat to anybody when it comes to having -- the president is dreaming big about high-speed rail but there are a lot of americans dreaming big about high-speed intercity rail because it puts people to work, it builds new infrastructure, it builds a new capacity, it is what americans want and we did rescinded the money from wisconsin and ohio because those two governors decided they did not want to move ahead with the project. but i go back to what i said before. 50 years ago there are governors and elected officials is said, we don't need an interstate system. 50 years later we have a state of the art interstate system that delivers people all over this country in a v

john kasich, as chairman of the budget, authored a series of changes leading to the first 4 balanced in a row in 2 generations. the house gop moved fast. in fiscal 1995, the democrat's deficit was $164 billion. we brought it down a little bit the first year, but the second year, we had it down to $22 billion, from 164. the following year we had a $69 billion surplus in our third budget that we were in charge of. over a four year period, we paid off $559 in federal debt, by controlling spending, cutting taxes, and increasing economic growth. [applause] the number one job today is to create jobs. america only works when american's are working. and nothing would do more to balance the budget than to go from 9. 2 percent back down to 4 percent unemployment, taking 5 percent of people off of unemployment, off of food stamps, off of medicaid, put them back with a job, paying taxes, giving their family a future. [applause] and let me emphasize something that republicans all too often, and conservatives all to often fail to be honest and direct to talk about. at a time when we have forty- fi