kasich is on the ropes with this one. and reporters pressed him on the issue in his sinking poll numbers earlier today. >> governor, the quinnipiac poll has come out and has sp5 down further than it was. what's your reaction? >> we're going to keep working. this is the right thing to create an environment for cities to be able to be successful. >> if it fails, do you have a backup plan? >> i never think -- i never think ahead. >> you don't typically comment on polls. is this one disheartening? >> hey, you know, do i seem disheartened? i'm doing my job. >> the poll is showing an increasing opposition with pretty much every democrat for group of pollers. how do you persuade minds or change those numbers at this point? >> you just work as hard as you can, try to explain it. you don't quit. i mean, if i'm, you know, if i'm in a golf game and down six holes with seven to play, i try to play harder. >> governor, you're not in the fairway on this one. kasich isn't the only politician taking heat on issue two. it gets even better

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it's not just john kasich in ohio. last month republicans in congress called in a snake breeder to testify against what they called the job killing regulations of the obama administration. this guy breateds exotic python and sells them by mail order as pets and does not want the u.s. fish and wildlife service to ban him from doing that. i'm sure he doesn't. we have government so guys like that aren't the final arbiter of whether or not it's in our national interest to have guys selling pythons as if they're widgets. hello, discarded python pets in the everglades. how is it going? this is how the republican led house spent its time on job creation last month, inveighing against the onerous regulation of pythons. because if we only stopped regulating pythons, that would fix unemployment. and in ohio, this is our regulation-free paradise today. it's astonishing the only human primate casualty was self-inflicted. jack hanna is director emeritus of the columbus zoo and aquarium. hanna and zoo members helped evacuate the han

what is going through governor kasich's mind today, do you think? >> who knows.eir eyes open, and they know who the enemy is now, and the enemy is this administrati administration, firing fire fighters, police officers, nurses, teachers. i mean, the people of ohio. i am so proud of them. 1.3 million of them signed the petition. >> and they didn't need that many signatures. >> they only need a little over 300,000. >> that's right. >> they got 1.3 million, and i think that's an indication that ohio, you know, ohio is sort of a common sense state, and we don't take to radical and reckless ideas or radical and reckless leadership, and that's what we've gotten from this governor and from this new administration. >> now, i've been out there twice in the last month, and i am very impressed with the energy across all religious racial lines to say wait a minute, this isn't fair. are they going to win this vote though? are they going to be able to repeal this? >> as you said, the poll that came out today says that 57% are opposed to -- to senate bill five. 32% are in favor

kasich in april.o a poll, 57% of ohio voters now want senate bill 5 repealed compared to 32% who want to keep it. after a similar fight in wisconsin where union efforts fell short, will they now succeed here in the buckeye state, even if ohio can't survive without it? joining me now is the man himself, who is fighting hard to make sure that does not happen, ohio governor john kasich. good to see you. >> good to see you, sean. >> you told me you like being a host. >> i like being a host. ten years almost. >> that's true. it's good to see you again. you come into the state of ohio as a governor. you have a $8 billion budget deficit. you have a man date constitutionally to balance your budget, you've got all your economic plan through. where are you now and how does this play into your economic view? >> ohio over the last ten years lost more jobs than every state in america except for michigan and california. we were really in a bad situation. we wiped out our budget deficit by reforming programs. for ex

john kasich. >> i am not speaking about a particular ballot issue. i am 110% behind a governor kasich. >> romney has been running a pretty savvy campaign so far, but he stumbled on this ballot question. is that going to come back to haunt him? >> he can get away with this one, but flip-floping is his number one -- he has two big problems. one is the flip flop thing, the other is that he is not that likable. i would not say he has been likable in the debates, but he has been strong, and that counts. >> fifth grade question on romney. >> they said he looks like a rich and privileged kid, and two words came up. one was "chameleon," the other was "pompous." the "chameleon" label sticks to him. he has a record of flip-floping, changing his position based on food he is trying to appeal to. >> george will writes this weekend, "romney is not only becoming a less electable, he might damage gop chances of getting the senate. republicans may have found their michael dukakis." >> well, george will has a particularly passionate feel about abortion -- a particular

we see it here in ohio, and here we have governor kasich.8 billion budget deficit. they have mandate to balance the budget in the state. he's asking that all statel employees contribute to their pensions, contribute to theirriu medical insurance, just like most people in the private sector do. unions, i talked to somebody. they're being busted in some ways here, in some cases.it s it seems like it's an effective strategy. they've trimmed millions of $ane they get what they want. why does the public not see the need to balance the budget first? >> i think the fact that johnhn kasich was elected and that hiss mandate for change to borrow a phrase was supported by the majority of voters there, and v the fact that you have fiscally responsible adults in ohio r republican party who are trying to do something to save ohio's future for the next generations there tells you that what's really happening here is that you have astro turfing dc basedc national big labor organizations that are fighting for their self-preservation. because they have a bott

i'm 110% behind governor kasich and in support of that question. thank you. >> now, let's put it in perspective. keep in mind that guy right there, he wants to be president of the united states. he just said the words "fully support" three times. less than 24 hours earlier, romney didn't sound as strong when he was actually in ohio. >> i'm not speaking about the particular ballot issues. those are up to the people of ohio, but i certainly support the effort of the governor to reign in the scale of government. so i'm not terribly familiar with the two ballot initiative but certainly supportive of the republican party's effort. >> true conservatives have no idea where mitt romney stands on any issue. rick perry pounced on romney last night on fox news. >> you can't be for banning guns and then all of a sudden you're, you know, for the second amendment. you can't be for the issue of abortion then you're pro life -- >> so you think he's a weasel? >> you can't be on both sides of the issue. >> perry is exploiting romney's weakness with the base as much

what turned thing around for kasich and gave him momentum, you have to bet on the repeal succeeding.grand bargain. he tried to be reasonable with the unions. they would not take it. he has since gone around barnstorming the state and liberal newspapers of editorialized on his side. things are better than people expect. >> chris: we have less than two minutes for two charles to share. tough for both of you. when you have ohio, wisconsin, new jersey, indiana. republican governors going after the public workers unions, a big deal in 2012 or not? >> this is the most important thing on the ballot in november this year. if the union succeed for rolling this back, it will embolden them to go after scott walker for recall in 2012. set up a huge deal in wisconsin. >> if that happens they will lose on the recall on walker. ohio is armageddon. they were routed in wisconsin and attempted to defeat three times and lost. they have to make a stance in ohio. if they lose, they won't recover. >> chris: that is it for the panel. stay tuned to new look for the moment in the last republican debate that

back in june, romney on his facebook page said he supported this law by governor kasich. to get tough in limiting collective bargaining, which is a very hot issue in the midwest. on tuesday, romney visited the ohio gop phone bank, where callers were urging voters to back the law and sounded not entirely supportive anymore. let's listen to how his bones that don't seem to be there in his body. let's listen. >> i'm not speaking about the particular ballot issues. those are up to the people of ohio, but i certainly support the effort of the governor to rein in the scale of government. so i'm not terribly familiar with the two ballot initiatives, but i'm certainly supportive of the republican party's efforts. >> guy's like a whirling dervish. his body parts are even moving around fast there. and then he goes over with his kind of life line with his staff, help me out on this. on wednesday, romney said this. let's listen. >> i fully support governor kasich's, i think it's called question two, in ohio. fully support that. what i was referring to is i know there are other ballot

let me first start out by saying our governor, john kasich, worked for lehman brothers. you and every, pretty much all your people, the viewers know that lehman brothers went under. he was the vice president of lehman brothers. wall street started to go under. bankers, banking started to go under. so they asked and begged for additional help for the taxpayers. when john kasich, lehman brothers vice president decided between the time he was a congressman and the time he became our governor, he lost a lot of money and he came to the statehouse trying to pretend that that actually did not happen. that lehman brothers did not go under, millions and millions of dollars were lost on wall street and hurt main street. they're trying to move the discussion away from really what's happening. what they've done and destroyed many people's opportunity for the american dream. so many people's opportunity to get health care. they've moved the discussion away from the issues of jobs and they keep bringing up issues about attacking working people. this issue, too, in ohio, is extremely i

but it looks like kasich's supporters need to spend more money on advertising. the pro-issue 2 message just doesn't seem to be sinking in with some people. >> how are you going to vote on issue 2 in ohio? >> issue 2? >> yes. >> personally. you know, i haven't made a decision on that, to be honest with you. >> let's bring in larry cohen, president of the communication workers of america, a new quinnipiac poll shows ohio voters, larry, are overwhelmingly opposed to issue 2. 57% say the law should be repealed. only 32% say leave it alone. but an internal progress ohio memo just picked up by the "ed show" producers issued a warning to labor. "make no mistake. this race will tighten between now and election day." so how tough a fight is this going to be, mr. cohen? what do you think? what's your call on this? >> had i call is that ohioans will stand up for workers' rights. i was out in columbus knocking on doors. and by the way, i was out with 150 people who lived in columbus that night. i was the only one who didn't live there who went out. and what was amazing, ed,

kasich. >> romney has been running a savvy campaign, but he stumbled on this ballot question. is that going to come back to haunt him? he can get ay with this one, but flip-floping is his -- he has two big problems. one is the flip-flop thing, the other is that he is not applicicable.. -- not likable. i would not say he has unlikable in the debates, but he has been strong, and that counts. >> fifth grade? romney. >> they said he was like the rich andrivileged kid. two words -- on is "chameleon," the other is "pompous." he has a record of changing his position based on who he is trying to appeal to. >> george will is writing this weekend -- "romney is not only less electable, he might damage gop chances of capapturing the senate. reblicans may have found their michael dukis." >> georgrge will has a particularly passionate feelings about abortioion and his opposition to abortion. i think romney's flip-floon that issue cuts very deep. it is simple to understandoo that he has flip flop that. that is why this thing in ohio is damaging. i don't know why he was there. this was a call

. >> i fully support governor kasich's, i think it's called question two, in ohio. fully support that. when i was referring to was i know there are other ballot questions there in ohio, and i wasn't taking a position on those. one of them, for instance, relates to health care and mandates. with regards to question two, which is the collective bargaining question, i am 110% behind governor kasich and in support of that question. >> you know, it's like he offsets his gyrations by saying, i'm now 110%, like 110 proof or something. i don't know how you can be 110% for something, but why does he shift from ambivalence and confusion to absolutely certainty plus? >> that's -- i think that's a perfect illustration of what happened in ohio this week of the shifting imperatives that i'm talking about and how they define whatever romney's saying and doing. because on tuesday, when he said, you know, he wasn't really taking a position, he was thinking like a general election candidate. he was thinking like the guy who's way ahead in new hampshire, who really doesn't have a seri

let's listen to this version. >> i fully support governor kasich's, i think it's called question two in ohio, fully support that. what i was referring to, i know there are other ballot questions there in ohio, and i wasn't taking a position on those. one of them, for instance, relates to health care and mandates. with regard to question two, which is the collective bargaining question, i am 110% behind governor kasich and in support of that question. >> that was a squirrely moment there. and politicians have to adjust to strange questions, but there he was on the way to the phone bank, which is supporting the initiative. he obviously had it on his schedule to go there. his staff must have told him where -- >> got some reporting on this. he was in ohio to do fund-raisers, he was not planning to do that event. he had no press office, press official with him. he wasn't briefed for questions. he got dragged there by his state chairman. >> where was the state chairman dragging him to? >> a victory center for calls not just on that ballot measure, but on everything that's on the ballot in

governor kasich should take heat from this horrible event and take up what governor strickland did, enact ban, let the dnr, department of natural resources come forward with rules to regulate this. the federal government, of course, is going to have to take a careful look at this. there's at least ten states where efforts to try to regulate the sale or purchase of exotic animals are basically futile. >> congressman dennis kucinich of ohio. thanks for joining us and explaining this situation in your state.

kasich and ohio's leaders as they take on this important fight to get control of government spending. please visit www.betterohio.org for more information. well, then yesterday, perhaps after learning that polls are running heavily against the bill, romney had this to say. >> i'm not speaking about the particular ballot issues. those are up to the people of ohio but i certainly support the effort of the governor to rein in the scale of government. i'm not terribly familiar with the two ballot initiatives, but i'm certainly supportive of the republican party's efforts. >> notice he looked over to the other guy for help. now he's steering clear, right? until today, that is. >> i fully support governor kasich's i think it's called question two in ohio. fully support that. i know there are other ballot questions in ohio and i wasn't taking a position on those. one of them, for instance, relates to health care and mandates. with regards to question two, which is the collective bargaining question, i am 110% behind governor kasich and in support of that question. >> yeah, he does look like

that poll noting in their summary, "the good news if there is good news in this survey for governor kasich is that he has another three years until he faces re-election." again, governor scott walker in wisconsin does not have that three-year luxury. if they succeed in getting walker on the ballot, dragging that union stripping law behind him, wisconsinites will have a chance to vote him out of office probably sometime early next year. and so the koch brothers have scott walker's back. the koch brothers will buy as many fake families waving from as many fake bridges as they need to in order to make it look like somebody supports their union stripping governor. they've also got the real scott walker out tonight speaking at a heritage foundation event in des moines, iowa. the heritage foundation, of course, a koch brothers funded enterprise. scott walker is trying to burnish his image nationwide and across the state of wisconsin from his koch brother billionaire benefactors. trying to make it look like it's working, which is the name of their campaign, trying to make it look like it's workin