let's turn to governor of ohio, john kasich. always great to have you on the program. >> good to listen to the big debate on "meet the press" this morning, wow. >> it's nice to start with a little bit of a chuckle here before we get into the serious issues. this was the cleveland "plain dealer" on thursday, jeff darcy here's his cartoon. i thought was so telling. it's the martian landing saying, take me to your leaders. and the guy says, they're somewhere in ohio. take i-75 north. as you know, everybody is in ohio. i want to ask you the direct question, governor, you've got 7% unemployment. it's better than the national average. who deserves credit for that? is it the president? is it you as the republican governor? or neither one of you? >> you know, david, it's probably the job creators, we're up 112,000 jobs, the last four years, we were down 4,000 jobs. how did we get there? we've made ohio safe for business expansion and business attraction. we balanced our budget. we're running a half a billion dollars in the rainy day fun

we're ask the state's republican governor, john kasich. also joining us, wisconsin's republican governor, scott walker, and colorado's democratic governor, john hickenlooper. analysis on what will tip the scales in this historically tight presidential race. from our roundtable, from msnbc, rachel maddow, "new york times" columnist, david brooks, "washington post" columnist, e.j. dionne, former ceo of hewlett-packard, now vice chair of the national republican senatorial committee, carly fiorina and our political director and chief white house correspondent, chuck todd. >>> good morning, on this sunday, as if it weren't enough to have an incredibly tight race, we now have inclement weather that is bearing down on the east coast. hurricane sandy, a super storm as described, and this could affect more than 50 million people along the east coast. we've got all of this covered, including the political ramifications of the storm in the coming days as we are just nine days to go until the election. i want to go live first to asbury park on the new

and in ohio, both governor kasich and mitt romney are right.kasich is right that his policies fundamentally different than obama's, lower taxes, close the budget deficit. make, create a regulatory environment that encourages investment and certainty. that those are improving the situation. governor romney is also, however, correct that there's a long way to go. and that there are lots of people in ohio and elsewhere around this country who are unemployed or underemployed and we have huge progress. and 2% gdp growth is nothing to crow about. in fact it's less growth than in 2011 and less than 2010. >> all the economic news is about republican policies and all the bad economic news is because of democratic policies? it's funny, it's just disingenuous. >> how much of this is a problem in terms of how people feel, rachel. we see more economic optimism in the country and yet people are still feeling like the obama record is lackluster and you look at the recovery still not feeling like it's robust enough. >> and you see it just in the raw consumer c

governor kasich was not telling the truth.peech that ohio's economy was 38th, i believe, in the nation when he took office. that's not true. we were sixth in the nation in terms of economic job growth. the recovery started in ohio before john kasich became governor. if you look at the data, ohio's unemployment declined 1.6% in 2010. it declined another 1.7% in the first year and a half of the kasich administration. ohio's recovery is due in large part -- it's due in large part to two things, i believe. that's the recovery act which enabled us to stabilize ohio and to stop the free fall and, secondly, candy, it's the auto rescue. one in eight jobs in ohio is related to the auto industry. mitt romney said let detroit go barupt, but today in toledo and in youngstown and in the cleveland area multimillion-dollar investments are being made by gm and chrysler. people are working, and ohio's economy is benefitting as a result. >> senator dewine, i want to give you the last word on this. the car industry is a powerful argument. >> can

listen to governor kasich describe the experience here.his is from january right after the union rights vote. >> and the one thing you have to do is if you're going to bring about massive change that's going to cause great unrest, i mean, i've learned this, you've got to prepare ahead for it. we won -- take a look at our record. you go out deep sea fishing, you catch a lot of sharks. we caught them. once in a while the shark eats you. okay? >> we caught some sharks, but once in a while the shark eats you. watch out for the shark, okay? republicans in ohio have been running against the obama campaign and the obama base. and an ohio that has not liked republican policies for the last two years. and republicans in ohio have not enjoyed the experience. on the other side, democrats in ohio have the benefit now of an engaged, experienced, rather electrified force of volunteers and political staffers who have been through two warmup rounds for this next election and won both warmup rounds by a lot and they seem to not want to wait to vote again.

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ohio, griff jenkins spoke one on one with john kasich. >> reporter: governor, a matter of days now, what ohioans to vote for governor romney? >> i think people are trying to figure out what we're going to do about the undecided voters. it's hard to believe that at this point anybody could be undecided. what you can do is see romney living in ohio. i wonder if we can get him to pay income taxes while he is here. in all seriousness, first debate changed the whole debate in ohio. romney gained tremendous momentum. you see great momentum across the state. people are enthusiastic and the polls indicate that republicans are sort more intensely motivated. you keep that up and you search for undecided voters. he needs to be here. the more people see him and more they like him and more they get him. >> reporter: we saw you the rnc and you were talking about the story of ohio. giving folks a chance to rebuild things. you talked about the remarkable turn around from 48th in country for job creation to 4th. how much is a part of that happening with this race? >> well, what i say, we've done better t

look, look at john kasich. i learned a lot from that man. came as a young guy in congress under his leadership. following the same trail he blazed. here is a guy, who sees a problem and runs at the problem. that is what leadership is. we got big problems. we do not want a president blaming somebody else for four years. we do not want a president ducking the tough issues, demagoguing the other party. we want a president who will lead and fix this mess and solve our problems and get this country back on the right track. [applause] so it is not enough for us to complain about the broken promises or to simply highlight the fact that president obama cannot run on his record so he is trying to distort hours and distract people to win by default. this is why we are offering specific solutions, specific ideas in how to create 12 million jobs, how to get people back to work, how to confront our problems. number one, and here in ohio, here in this part of ohio, we have so much energy in this country. let's use this energy and put people back to work.

the problem is you have an ambitious and aggressive governor john kasich already.e painted the narrative that jobs are being created again in ohio and companies are coming back. after super tuesday, the romney camp changed their strategy. no longer recovery. john kasich jump on board and we have seen little discussion about some of the worst conditions in the state. it's been a troubling narrative and a challenging one for the romney camp to try to get on board. it's the economy good? host: it's important to remember in ohio, people associate the american auto industry. industry. much of northern ohio is dependent upon the success of the auto industry, which is why 's statementney h about letting detroit go bankrupt and has had ramifications for ohio as well. host: let's go to mark joining us from ohio. a democrat. caller: i wanted to talk to you guys about the environment and something that was set in the debate last week. the president had the lead on energy and he said we were dealing now more than ever for gas and oil and he's right. then mr. romney came back w

. >> but can't governor kasich and these county executives, can't they just stop all that with votes? it's a democracy, they can say no to this? >> sure. but say obama gets reelected and kasich loses reelection to a democrat in 2014, this thing came real close to passage in 2009-2010. if obama's in place, then a democrat gets the governor's chance. it has an excellent chance of passage in a second term. >> more local tax sharing. >> absolutely. >> thanks to stanley kurtz. >>> our next story, did president obama, secretary of state hillary clinton and u.s. ambassador susan rice all lie about the 9/11 benghazi attack? today, sworn testimony in congress sure makes it sound that way. i hate to report it but it is true. full details up next. either lies or falsehoods. t wors a tall order. up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in the business of up. everyday delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we wi

kasich basically said things are on the upswing in ohio. to keep it going you need to change leadership in washington. that's a strange, kind of incoherent message. it's true if you look at the numbers in ohio and to an extent in wisconsin. certainly in ohio. if you look nationally at where obama has been bleeding support, with whites, especially white guys, not as much in ohio. not nearly as dramatic. you can definitely link that to the economy there, to the bailout there, and i can think it's a small example, the 1988 election. bush versus dukakis, a sea of red on the electoral map. bush won coast to coast. there were three states in the upper midwest, an ocean of red that went democratic. iowa, minnesota and wisconsin. it was because the farm economy collapsed in the mid 1980s. the economy was so much worse there than the rest of the country that they wanted to take it out on the reagan administration. they turned on bush and voted for dukakis. everybody else was going for bush. so i see there's a potential there for kind of a flip of th

the irony is for mitt romney, is that john kasich who you saw in the piece, the governor, is extollinghese good news that we just heard. and the romney people don't want to hear that because part of their message is we've got the economic key. and it can't have already happened in ohio under barack obama's watch. >> woodruff: let's broaden it out. you said that you were talking to david about the difference between ohio and the rest of the country, what does it look like across the country right know in the campaign? >> you know, i have read so many very confident people over the last 24 hourx totally confident that obama is going to win or that romney is going to win. i don't think we can know. i think something will happen the last three days, there will be a shift and something will happen. i do think there has been a contrast in how the campaigns are operating in the last couple of weeks. and romney's trying to go big with big change. paul ryan gave i think quite a good speech on social mobility and poverty earlier in the week. romney gave what was billed as a major speech on the e

ohio has seen a different john basic -- kasich since he took office.or lack of a better term, he was trying to dodge public unions in the state. the blow but from his efforts have been. . . -- the blow back from his efforts have been very apparent. the caller also made a good point that many ohioans see the same attitude in mitt romney that they see in john kasich. host: this statement was issued from the family of george mcgovern who passed away this morning. he turned 90 this summer. we're blessed to nil our father lived a long productive life advocating for the hungry, been a progressive voice for millions and fighting for peace. he continued giving speeches and advising past his 90th birthday, which he celebrated this summer. george mcgovern passed away at the age of 90. he was the 1972 democratic presidential nominee. his legacy in democratic party politics? guest: i can remember those times my wife called me as i was on the way to the studio to give me the news about george mcgovern. he was openly anti-war during his campaign. a lot of people thi

wisconsin, scott had to go up against theecall to get collective bargaining with the unions, and, john kasich,he same in ohio and, he has gone out and had about 18 tax cut plans, he's straightened out the tax coden ohio and these are the types of things either presidential candidate needs to implement, ing forward. to startreating jobs again. >> susan, john makes a good point, fighting unions and collective bargaining, going up against regulations. those arell things that seem to be working on the state level. should the candidates be looking at this? >> you know, on the regulatory ont i do agree with john bu the notion that tax rates are the panacea and the policy magic nd is completely false. if you look at iowa, for instance they had a 1% - highest corporate tax rate of any state in the country and the lowest unemployment rates, 5. % and nevada almost the lowest tax burden on a personal and corporate level, almost the highestnemployment rate. tax rates are not the panacea, the governoromney and a lot of republicans pretend they are, but i think the business climate is anmportant issue and

liz: john kasich has dedicated most of his life to public service.were a congressman and you seemed always to me that you cared about every man and you really cared about job creation. that has not changed. the numbers look a lot better for ohio. >> when i came in, we have lost 400,000 jobs the previous four years. now we are up 123,000 which is really great. our credit outlook has improved. we are doing better. it was about 500 million. now we are number one in the midwest for job creation. liz: having been 48 in the country. >> ohio is incredible. you are kind of an ohio girl even though you come from out west. we have 11.6 million. we have great cities. cleveland is an incredible city. when the reputation catches up with the reality, people will be blown away. we have great cities. great role areas in great suburbs. what we have done is we have built our business in ohio. people think it is just manufacturing. healthcare and financial services, energy, logistics and it, our greatest growth last quarter was it jobs. liz: that is a surprise to peopl

in ohio, kasich wins by a couple of points, but they take over the state house and the state senate. a win 10 out of 18 congressional seats. we are projecting things, you cannot go from 2008 and 2010 and say we are went back to 2008 before we get to 2012. it is a direct line from 2010 to get to 2012. of the polls are underestimating where we will be. my prediction is that this will be 1918. this will be an election that was projected to be close. -- my prediction is that this -- be 980. -- 1980. >> how to reconcile some of the policy positions you have that are different from governor romney, particularly when it pertains to foreign affairs and being on the campaign trail for him. you a father has not been supportive in the same way you have. -- your father has not been supportive in the same way you have. >> we try to choose who we think is best as republicans in the primary. i think my dad is best and still do. who we nominate is pretty significant. when you look at the economic issues, i think president obama thinks you hire a few more government workers and everything may be ok.

and it's going to grow over into west virginia and over to my colleague, john kasich, in ohio. >> theng, the fact, has the federal government been your partner in this or have you had to overcome them in. >> we've had to do our own environmental enforcement. we've had difficulty with the epa in a number of different areas when it comes to business. obviously when it comes to coal, they've been very difficult with us. with the natural gas, we're much more on top of it than they are. they want to double check, triple check from seven different agencies what we're doing. they're not exactly helping the natural gas development as compared to what the president is saying, his agencies are doing the opposite. >> john, if i may, john, in your state you've got a little bit of this shale play, but your economy which had really lost i don't know hundreds of thousands of jobs, you had an $8 billion deficit, you all have got that turned around and i'd like for to you have a little bit of time to say why and how. >> when i started, we had lost 400,000 jobs in the last four years, haley, and we wer

john kasich is the governor. >> if romney wins i believe we're going to see a significantly improved economy, that's why i'm for him. >> reporter: more than 800,000 people have voted early in ohio so far, allowing both parties to separate those who cast ballots from those who may need a bit more coaxing. the ones now getting analyzed with microscopic intensity. bob bennett is chairman of ohio's republican party. >> i think that if most people knew the type of information that we had in our database, that they would be shocked, and probably not too happy with it. >> reporter: and it does seem a bit intrusive as both campaigns draw conclusions about who to pursue based on things like what churches they attend, what cars they drive. an jeff, even what magazines they read. >> glor: dean reynolds, thank you. later a running club that offers a new path for the homeless. floods in venice leaving tourists with a sinking feeling. and the big impact of a senate race in big sky country-- montana. those stories when the "cbs evening new" continues. bed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doe

and there is also part of the argument in ohio why things are going better for the president is kasich's attack on the unions, a bit of an over step on him and antagonize add group and put it in play for democrats, groups that sort of the blue collar, white man who have not earn, are not in play for democrats, they lose them, but shrunk romney's chances with that group, now, that is longstanding argument because romney has some at this advertise with that group of voters just on his own, but cass sick, kasich there are some commissions there, mcdonnell helps the republicans with the, he was part of the ground game in virginia is what the republicans think is the best all over the country and the mcdonald victory in virginia gave that ground game a real test and particularly in northern virginia for republicans and so in that way the fact that he won his race was very helpful for rebuilding the ground game in virginia they are using all of those models against president obama now. >> rose: okay. so i end up with this question and somebody help me. so coming out of this debate, what is goi