kasich, republican and former ohio state senator nina turner, a democrat, write this in part -- "no one should take a violence to advance their cause nor should anyone need to. we should all be able to turn to our system of justice to receive the protections we deserve. yes, we've got problems. our system can work if leaders have the will and courage to simply acknowledge the pain of injustice." and the governor and senator joining us now for this very important discussion here. senator turner, you and governor kasich make a case that communities can listen, they can learn, they can create peace, because you've done it in your state of ohio. tell us about this. >> we did, breanna, and thank you for having both of us. on the heels of the shooting are tamir rice a young boy shot within less than two seconds from police arriving on the scene, in t2004 right before thanksgiving and the governor and i had a conversation. i call the governor and said, govern governor, we have to do something.

senator turner, you and governor kasich make a case that communities can listen, they can learn, theyate peace, because you've done it in your state of ohio. tell us about this. >> we did, breanna, and thank you for having both of us. on the heels of the shooting are tamir rice a young boy shot within less than two seconds from police arriving on the scene, in t2004 right before thanksgiving and the governor and i had a conversation. i call the governor and said, govern governor, we have to do something. he said, come in, and i did. the governor did not hesitate to create an executive order that created the police task force and put folks on the task force from all walks of life. from community members, millennials, elected officials, non-elected officials, business leaders. the first thing we did, travel all over the great state of ohio so people's voices could be heard, because of that action, people did not bubble over into violence. yes, there were protests, but there were no acts of violence, because the governor acted, he acted swiftly, and he listened to the pain of the people,

a lot of them are unprepared and that's going to kasich and weaken the entire country's response to covidhat is something that america really has deeply struggled with from the very start and shows no sign of progressing in. >> and while there's less contact and less -- fewer public appearances now involving the coronavirus task force, this is happening at a time when the president is going to pick up on his rallies, he's encouraging people to come out in large numbers. tulsa next week. and then asking people to sign waivers saying come at your own risk. as far as we know, there have been no precautions put in place urging people that they have to wear masks, et cetera. how do you suppose potentially that might add to straining the systems in this country, hospital care, et cetera? >> it's really concerning. you know, outdoor spaces are safer than indoor ones, sure. but you're talking about congregating large groups of people in crowds. and then not modeling the kind of precautions that would keep them safe like wearing masks. and it's so counterproductive. it weakens public trust in publ

is former republican governor of ohio, former presidential candidate cnn's senior political john k kasich, i preerkt you coming in. >> love to be with you, kate. >> thank you, thank you. what is your reaction to hearing this apology from the chairman of the joint chiefs? i find it striking. >> yeah. it's pretty remarkable. he never should have been there and then general mattis said that the quote here is what trump has done instead he tries to divide us. and then you had kelly the former chief of staff supporting it. mattis was the secretary of defense. i was on the defense committee for 18 years and never seen this kind of unity when it comes to our high-ranking military officers taking an opposition to the president of the united states. and i guess milley didn't do that but to say that he got caught in confusing politics with his duties. hello. i mooean, this is just crazy. president going to tulsa, the polls sinking. look, kate. i didn't support this guy the last time and i won't support him again. he is the divider in chief. the insults that he's given to mayors and to governors, th

senator graham said he denied access to interview and fbi kasich and the fbi intelligence analyst whoet and interviewed in junior 2017 saying there is no there there. there are stonewalling and the media is not covering things like the rod rosenstein the second most powerful in the justice department and the road not getting any coverage about last week. your reaction. >> that's also predictable i think rod rosenstein's role in the whole thing is going to go down as a very bad one. don't forget he's the one that picked mueller to lead the sham investigation which turned up no evidence of collusion and it was his job in this particular unusual fisa's infatuation to examine a warrant that was being reauthorized on for several months after the original authorization. he totally failed and there's a lot of questions to be asked. and as senator graham is focusing on obama administration and state officials who really orchestrated this back in 2016, i think until we get to the end of this and tell we let somebody subpoena people, don't forget the inspector general, michael horowitz did not

outfront now the former governor of ohio john kasich.re a slew of swing states we are now talking about. these are polls from various organizations. and they're showing the same thing in state after state. how much do you -- we're months away and we're in a very unprecedented time. but how much do you read into this? >> i kind of feel as though he jumped the shark, erin. that's the thing where the guy goes too far or person goes too far, they begin to lose the audience. the trip he made in front of that church was a disaster. the rambling, whatever it was down there in tulsa didn't go well, and that long dissertation about why he had trouble walking down the ramp just left people shaking their head. where is he on the masks? i can't figure out. he was elected i believe because a lot of people said let's shake it off. when you have the racial problems we have, the unrest, when you have the virus beginning to rear its ugly head again in a very spiking sort of a way, people begin to -- and you see the economy hurting, people begin to say en