. >> joining us now from washington nbc political reporter kasie hunt. i guess first of all, kasie, you jackson to something senator mccain said last night. basically we can't win if things continue down the current path. have a listen. >> my reaction is that it's unnecessary and i am afraid that the american people as they have in the past will blame congress, i.e., republicans and what's particularly disappointing is that obama care is going to have a lot of problems in this rollout. the president's polling numbers are falling in every category and yet the story is to the american people that republicans are fighting republicans. that's not helpful. >> kasie, it seems so this is hurting republicans, but also it seems since obama care is not going to get repealed maybe the republicans, they're against this are just trying to hurt the president's legacy and efficacy. >> reporter: brian, i think the question at this point is how much political pain is it going to take to change these dynamics. senators like mccain, lime tom coburn have been warning house r

joining us is our correspondent kasie hunt who i believe is actually on the scene where this incident began to unfold. casey? >> reporter: hi, martin. yeah, this is still an active crime scene. you can see it i'm sure behind me. this is where that capitol police officer who has been injured was hurt. you can still see the car that crashed actually sitting in the middle of the street on constitution avenue, which is, of course, a major thoroughfare here in washington. what we're waiting on from the capitol police is just more of a discussion of exactly what happened. it's still murky as to who shot first, who was in the car. there's another car that's further up that road that, as you can see, the suspect continued to drive up constitution. so this police officer was actually stopped, according to eyewitnesses i have talked to, by barriers that are built into the road here at the capitol, and those barriers are designed to prevent exactly this kind of an event from happening. so the barriers that are closer to the capitol building itself are actually up all the time, and a police offic

boris epstein is back from us and kasie hunt.ng to you both. >> good morning. >> all right, boris, let me start with you and what is the point of this? what's being accomplished here? it doesn't seem like anyone is winning. >> nothing is being accomplished. it's a really big mayes take of the rand pauls of my party. no positive for them. specifically for someone like ted cruz and rand paul who wants to run for president in 2016 this is a losing formula. newt gingrich has tried to run for president and has failed several times. the only people winning, chris christie on the outside saying i wasn't a part of it. >> ksaie, what happens this morning as the stat reconvenes at 9:30? >> reporter: the senate will come back and senate majority leader harry reid says they will reject this latest gambit by the house to set up a conference committee and that sets the stage for the house republicans to argue that, hey, we actually want to be talking more about this and it's the senate that's rejecting our attempts to negotiate. but from the d

kasie hunt is there. casey, a good day to you. ant hunting thus the attire. how are iowa republicans receiving him? >> well, i actually have had to clean up a little bit since that hunt. we were out for several hours this morning, trudging through the brush with senator cruz and congressman steve king, the congressman from western eye known as a fiery conservative and somebody ted cruz is clearly courting. the republicans here are receiving him we very. there was a lot of enthusiasm. although as with anything in iowa, everyone looks at these candidates as they come through here with a little bit of skepticismism because they do have to problem themselves here. the voters here really take ha responsibility seriously. it's pretty clear from watching cruz yesterday and essentially this morning that he is sort of embarking on that slog, whatever it may look like to potentially mount a campaign in 2016. he wouldn't talk about that. i asked him about it this morning. he said it's dangerous to go there to talk about the presidential race.

professor peterson, nbc's kasie hunt interviewed ted cruz after that speech.e's what she tweeted. just interviewed senator ted cruz. he refused to say if he would support retroactive back pay for furloughed government workers. six times he asked him. sakes times he deflects the question. how does a man this hypocritical and in public get away with this, professor? >> i'm not sure. you and i both know casey is pretty smart and pretty straight down the middle on these things and so for her to not be able to get a straight answer from this guy is certainly indicative of the level at which he is playing politics, martin. the american people are disgusted by these kinds of displays, because the kind of or wellian switcher oohs they have been engaged in, not just around the shutdown but also the debt ceiling and the ways in which policy and procedures work, particularly in the house but also throughout the congress, it makes us feel as if not only is government dysfunctional, but it's hard to have faith in a system when there's so many stunts. yesterday with the lab

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here with us now washington editor for national review robert costa and nbc news correspondent kasie huntowing this wasry step of the way. we have one must read. it's a very run on sentence but it kind of encapsulates everything. the result of the approach first championed by senators ted cruz, mike lee, rand paul and marco rubio and embraced by a significant number of house republicans resulted in a no substantive changes to the affordable care act, b, an increase, c, diverting attention away from the epically incompetent roll out of the new health care exchanges, d, the gop's popularity dropping to the lowest point for either party since gallup began asking the question in 1992, e, more than washing away. f, reviving the obama presidency which until the shutdown of drifting and suffering a terrible year and g, setback gop prospects in the 2014 mid-term elections apart from that it was a huge success. >> what's your feeling among the house republicans. >> last night was a fascinating night because a lot of these republicans were elected in 2010. after this whole thing went down, for the