. >> add kaskaval and mozzarella cheese, fold it up, pick your condiments.w and eat. spicy. good. i guess i want to talk about nelson mandela, because what i was not aware of at all was the degree to which he was personally responsible for really the nuts and bolts of the transition from white rule to majority rule. now he's very ill. >> yeah, yeah. >> what happens after mandela? do you think? >> we go on. >> i think the foundation is laid and i think through god, we have him as a symbol. i think mandela represents our nation. the test we use to check the way forth. >> all the things that could have gone terribly wrong, it's a remarkable thing how well it went. >> between 1990 and 1994, tough times, you know, intercity fighting. black-on-black violence. black-on-white violence. but we transcended that coming together regardless of the unresolved issues. >> to what extent is it a rainbow nation? what extent are things getting mixed? we like to think we live in a rainbow nation, but in fact, in the states like to a great extent in different neighborhoods. in s